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Post by sharptooth on Feb 15, 2023 14:01:46 GMT -7
Crickets on the trade front
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Post by drtaf on Feb 15, 2023 16:24:58 GMT -7
Specter said on Fan 960 this morning that the Oilers view their needs differently than a couple of months ago. The performance of Broberg and Desharnais has shifted the focus to the forward group. That said, apparently they have mined the Karlsson option to exhaustion and it doesn't look workable. (I say GOOD). Specter threw out O'REILLY as a target as well as Kane. I think he is just spit-balling but who knows. Apparently the Oilers 1st round pick is on the table, which it should be. As well, pretty much anyone on their farm system is in play. KH will do whatever he wants and I just hope that he gets it right. I do not have full confidence and am a little sceptical that we are about to see an overpayment for.... someone. I guess overpayment is acceptable if it works. Most often the trade deadline consists of all overpays. I have confidence in KH. I like his patience. I’m fine if he doesn’t do a lot, if he just tinkers a little or goes after a big fish. All I don’t want is a ridiculous overpay which is what i see the teams are asking for a lot of these guys. With some of the prices out there I just don’t see KH getting any of the guys that have been mentioned for quite a while now. Spector seems by far the least informed and is still coveting Edmondson who afaik is now on ltir? I agree sharp, asking prices are nuts and I'll give KH a pass if he just tinkers and resists ridiculous overpays! as long as we dont find out after the fact that a Karlsson or Chycrun goes for substantially less than whats been thrown around Thats what bothers me sometimes is when you see a prized asset get traded for peanuts and you wonder where was our GM? Of course, this doesnt apply to players who have NVM in their contracts or in case of Gavrikov who's a ufa and says he has no desire to re-sign before UFA and doesnt want to go to Canada:
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Post by toley on Feb 15, 2023 16:56:34 GMT -7
I haven't heard of any other team that are in on Karlsson.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 15, 2023 17:09:38 GMT -7
I haven't heard of any other team that are in on Karlsson. This is where talking to McDrai can have its benefits. Say hypothetically they had a "really good time" playing on same line together. Karlsson afaik has a full NVM clause. If McDrai say to him they'd really like him to join the oilers and he really wants to be part of whats happening here, who's to say EK cant go to SJ and say he will only move to oilers? And if KH is privy to this info, that puts him in a very strong bargaining position? Saying that, this is essentially the position he was in with Keith and he still gave up way too much in that trade, but it could make the "impossible" possible. Afterall EK is killing any chance of SJ starting a meaningful rebuild at the full $11.5M price tag, so at some level they really want to get rid of him as well!
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Post by toley on Feb 15, 2023 17:38:56 GMT -7
I haven't heard of any other team that are in on Karlsson. This is where talking to McDrai can have its benefits. Say hypothetically they had a "really good time" playing on same line together. Karlsson afaik has a full NVM clause. If McDrai say to him they'd really like him to join the oilers and he really wants to be part of whats happening here, who's to say EK cant go to SJ and say he will only move to oilers? And if KH is privy to this info, that puts him in a very strong bargaining position? Saying that, this is essentially the position he was in with Keith and he still gave up way too much in that trade, but it could make the "impossible" possible. Afterall EK is killing any chance of SJ starting a meaningful rebuild at the full $11.5M price tag, so at some level they really want to get rid of him as well! I don't think any other team wants that contract, 4 more years of Karlsson at $11.5Mill, it's in San Jose best interest to move him now before he breaks again but aren't willing to retain all that much. Say you get Karlsson at $7.5, and you give up Barrie and Puljujarvi, plus your first and a second. I don't like that situation, of having a mended Karlsson even at a lower cap hit for 4 more year after this one. And after all that you still can't reactivate Yamamoto.
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Post by yuke on Feb 15, 2023 18:40:38 GMT -7
I haven't heard of any other team that are in on Karlsson. I wish there were 31 teams not trying to get him.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 15, 2023 19:55:24 GMT -7
I haven't heard of any other team that are in on Karlsson. I wish there were 31 teams not trying to get him. he has a 10 team no trade list so if KH sent an offer that must mean we are not on that list IMO, but it also means at least 21 others have an opportunity too though
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Post by yuke on Feb 15, 2023 22:36:02 GMT -7
I wish there were 31 teams not trying to get him. he has a 10 team no trade list so if KH sent an offer that must mean we are not on that list IMO, but it also means at least 21 others have an opportunity too though Lol, Drtaf you must be getting old and your mind not working tonight. We would be one of the 31 teams since the 32nd team would be SJ. I prefer not to get him.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 16, 2023 14:55:32 GMT -7
he has a 10 team no trade list so if KH sent an offer that must mean we are not on that list IMO, but it also means at least 21 others have an opportunity too though Lol, Drtaf you must be getting old and your mind not working tonight. We would be one of the 31 teams since the 32nd team would be SJ. I prefer not to get him. indeed Yuke That's good though cos the list is getting smaller every day!! now its down to 20! Seriously though, I doubt there's more than 2-3 teams in on this and SJ must have a very good idea what they can and cant get by now. Unless they're playing chicken with Zona and seeing who gives up their "coveted" D-man first? Hoping last man standing causes a late rush of desperate buyers?? Personally, its what I'd do if i was in their shoes? Afterall, neither is UFA so its not like either can go anywhere and whatever Zona and SJ get now aint changing the course of their current season and I'm not so sure the price will be all that less in offseason? In fact there's a certain benefit of knowing exactly what pick you'll be getting in any trade, especially when it comes to this year's draft that is supposed to be "generational??
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Post by toley on Feb 16, 2023 15:48:22 GMT -7
My question is what other teams are in on Karlsson? I think Karlsson is more of an offseason acquisition, or is it more beneficial to capitalize on a great year for Karlsson?
I've also heard not many are even still in on Chychrun, heard Oilers and Leafs are out, and Kings never really had any deal in place with Arizona, and they are probably out on Chychrun aswell.
These contradicting rumors drive me nuts 😵💫
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 16, 2023 16:17:26 GMT -7
My question is what other teams are in on Karlsson? I think Karlsson is more of an offseason acquisition, or is it more beneficial to capitalize on a great year for Karlsson? I've also heard not many are even still in on Chychrun, heard Oilers and Leafs are out, and Kings never really had any deal in place with Arizona, and they are probably out on Chychrun aswell. These contradicting rumors drive me nuts 😵💫
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Post by toley on Feb 16, 2023 17:16:26 GMT -7
My question is what other teams are in on Karlsson? I think Karlsson is more of an offseason acquisition, or is it more beneficial to capitalize on a great year for Karlsson? I've also heard not many are even still in on Chychrun, heard Oilers and Leafs are out, and Kings never really had any deal in place with Arizona, and they are probably out on Chychrun aswell. These contradicting rumors drive me nuts 😵💫 K you win.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 16, 2023 23:38:43 GMT -7
My question is what other teams are in on Karlsson? I think Karlsson is more of an offseason acquisition, or is it more beneficial to capitalize on a great year for Karlsson? I've also heard not many are even still in on Chychrun, heard Oilers and Leafs are out, and Kings never really had any deal in place with Arizona, and they are probably out on Chychrun aswell. These contradicting rumors drive me nuts 😵💫 There's been a lot of hot air that's for sure, made worse by fans like us perpetuating them . The strongest rumour still seems to be Karlsson to oil and chychrun to LA, but I'm guessing that both selling teams arent getting quite what they were hoping for and are probably the ones letting the rumours fly in the hopes of bumping up prices that have gone a little stale?? It's a dangerous game of chicken as you see when Rangers took Taresenko and by default took themselves out of the running for PKane, Meier, ROR etc. Now those teams suddenly have one less bidder and the price for those forwards has dropped from a week ago (again, according to runours).
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Post by toley on Feb 17, 2023 8:26:08 GMT -7
My question is what other teams are in on Karlsson? I think Karlsson is more of an offseason acquisition, or is it more beneficial to capitalize on a great year for Karlsson? I've also heard not many are even still in on Chychrun, heard Oilers and Leafs are out, and Kings never really had any deal in place with Arizona, and they are probably out on Chychrun aswell. These contradicting rumors drive me nuts 😵💫 There's been a lot of hot air that's for sure, made worse by fans like us perpetuating them . The strongest rumour still seems to be Karlsson to oil and chychrun to LA, but I'm guessing that both selling teams arent getting quite what they were hoping for and are probably the ones letting the rumours fly in the hopes of bumping up prices that have gone a little stale?? It's a dangerous game of chicken as you see when Rangers took Taresenko and by default took themselves out of the running for PKane, Meier, ROR etc. Now those teams suddenly have one less bidder and the price for those forwards has dropped from a week ago (again, according to runours). Different reporters, reporting different things. Rangers were able to capitalize on St. Louis situation, if Parakyo was available I'd be more into that then Karlsson.
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Post by toley on Feb 18, 2023 9:54:53 GMT -7
There's been a lot of hot air that's for sure, made worse by fans like us perpetuating them . The strongest rumour still seems to be Karlsson to oil and chychrun to LA, but I'm guessing that both selling teams arent getting quite what they were hoping for and are probably the ones letting the rumours fly in the hopes of bumping up prices that have gone a little stale?? It's a dangerous game of chicken as you see when Rangers took Taresenko and by default took themselves out of the running for PKane, Meier, ROR etc. Now those teams suddenly have one less bidder and the price for those forwards has dropped from a week ago (again, according to runours). Different reporters, reporting different things. Rangers were able to capitalize on St. Louis situation, if Parakyo was available I'd be more into that then Karlsson. Hockey Writers Well well, look at that 😏
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Post by mrtea on Feb 18, 2023 11:25:02 GMT -7
Different reporters, reporting different things. Rangers were able to capitalize on St. Louis situation, if Parakyo was available I'd be more into that then Karlsson. Hockey Writers Well well, look at that 😏
I think I'd prefer Parakyo over Karlsson also, as long as his back issues are not too bad. Three reasons drive this preference, Parakyo is massive at 6'6" and 220+, we would not lose both Barrie and Bouchard to acquire him and lastly the total cost would be more affordable. As I've stated before, I really like Barrie as an Oiler. He's been a very good Oiler so far. He's on a reasonable contract, he's much better defensively than he is given credit for and when he gets hot, he really gets hot. He chose the Oilers when there was a bias against players wanting to go to Edmonton and he has done nothing but impress while he has been an Oiler. Bouchard is struggling, but I still see a glorious future for him as an Oiler. Mainly he has to learn not to be too over confident when he has the puck. He has to learn to amp up both his offensive and defensive games. Once he learns to put more effort consistently into his play, he'll see the results and go from there. Being calm is a good thing, but he needs to also be reacting faster while still staying calm.
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Post by toley on Feb 18, 2023 14:13:08 GMT -7
I think I'd prefer Parakyo over Karlsson also, as long as his back issues are not too bad. Three reasons drive this preference, Parakyo is massive at 6'6" and 220+, we would not lose both Barrie and Bouchard to acquire him and lastly the total cost would be more affordable. As I've stated before, I really like Barrie as an Oiler. He's been a very good Oiler so far. He's on a reasonable contract, he's much better defensively than he is given credit for and when he gets hot, he really gets hot. He chose the Oilers when there was a bias against players wanting to go to Edmonton and he has done nothing but impress while he has been an Oiler. Bouchard is struggling, but I still see a glorious future for him as an Oiler. Mainly he has to learn not to be too over confident when he has the puck. He has to learn to amp up both his offensive and defensive games. Once he learns to put more effort consistently into his play, he'll see the results and go from there. Being calm is a good thing, but he needs to also be reacting faster while still staying calm. If all Holland got was Parakyo, and Kane at the deadline I think that would be ideal. But I know it's all fantasy. I think Parakyo could have a resurgence, it would be his homecoming. Barrie has been the most consistent this year out of all the Defense, would hate to lose him now. I can see once Puljujarvi is gone Bouchard being the next whipping boy, almost Petry like. Hope he can figure it out so that isn't the case.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 18, 2023 16:46:41 GMT -7
This is unverified but the link is to Chris Johnston show, who’s one of the more credible reporters/insiders . He talks about PKane becoming an oiler and also oilers have explored re-signing JP to lower aav.😮 That last one is hilarious and if true should get Spector fired 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 18, 2023 16:49:28 GMT -7
the JP extension idea is being floated around all over the place, by some pretty legit sources.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 18, 2023 17:00:13 GMT -7
the JP extension idea is being floated around all over the place, by some pretty legit sources. He’d be perfect for bottom 6 at 1.2-1.5 x 3yrs if his stupid agent would get a reality check? He could move up and down as needed and I believe could be taught to be a really good pker as well as he has all the tools. Yam is t big enough to be an effective pker and as we saw last night and constantly, his lack of size means he has to keep bending the rules to try and get the puck and he gets caught taking way too many penalties because he doesn’t have the size to separate players from puck efficiently and effectively
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