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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 19, 2023 11:34:27 GMT -7
I'm reading that the Oilers are scouting Parayko as an alternative to Karlsson
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Post by toley on Feb 19, 2023 11:38:57 GMT -7
Different reporters, reporting different things. Rangers were able to capitalize on St. Louis situation, if Parakyo was available I'd be more into that then Karlsson. Hockey Writers Well well, look at that 😏
Is it this article? I'm reading that the Oilers are scouting Parayko as an alternative to Karlsson
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 19, 2023 11:45:23 GMT -7
Is it this article? I'm reading that the Oilers are scouting Parayko as an alternative to Karlsson ya that looks like that was it. Brian La Rose and even sportsnet are also indicating that there MAY be a deal in place in a trade moving JP to Carolina for Andrej Kase.
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Post by toley on Feb 19, 2023 11:55:38 GMT -7
Oilersnation Oilers scouting Detroit but it isn't Bertuzzi, I'm very high on Vrana, but at the same time you could wait until he's bought out :/
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 21, 2023 18:33:17 GMT -7
Tyson Dolynny who has always been a credible source is reporting that the Oilers are OUT on the Erik Karlsson trade. The Sharks were only willing to retain 2 million on his salary, and the Oilers were asking for 5.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 21, 2023 22:59:12 GMT -7
Tyson Dolynny who has always been a credible source is reporting that the Oilers are OUT on the Erik Karlsson trade. The Sharks were only willing to retain 2 million on his salary, and the Oilers were asking for 5. Fair enough, EK is not a hill I'd die on if i was KH. I do think he pushes the needle but if the cost is too much then hard pass it is!! It's not like there isnt also considerable risk in taking him on?? There's a reason SJ are hawking EK like a $2 whore?
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Post by toley on Feb 22, 2023 6:22:32 GMT -7
Tyson Dolynny who has always been a credible source is reporting that the Oilers are OUT on the Erik Karlsson trade. The Sharks were only willing to retain 2 million on his salary, and the Oilers were asking for 5. Fair enough, EK is not a hill I'd die on if i was KH. I do think he pushes the needle but if the cost is too much then hard pass it is!! It's not like there isnt also considerable risk in taking him on?? There's a reason SJ are hawking EK like a $2 whore? I mean it's in San Jose's best interest to get rid of him now, cause who expects Karlsson to be on pace for 110pts next year and the year after, and after that? The more probable outcome is he becomes an immoveable object.
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 22, 2023 7:19:23 GMT -7
Fair enough, EK is not a hill I'd die on if i was KH. I do think he pushes the needle but if the cost is too much then hard pass it is!! It's not like there isnt also considerable risk in taking him on?? There's a reason SJ are hawking EK like a $2 whore? I mean it's in San Jose's best interest to get rid of him now, cause who expects Karlsson to be on pace for 110pts next year and the year after, and after that? The more probable outcome is he becomes an immoveable object. And we already have one of those
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 22, 2023 7:59:30 GMT -7
Parayko is $6.5m until 2030. Another horrible deal.
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 22, 2023 9:09:13 GMT -7
Parayko is $6.5m until 2030. Another horrible deal. Yah THATS way too long
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 22, 2023 9:28:18 GMT -7
Pretty tough to get retention on that long a term. Unless salary goes back the other way trading for parayko is a tough sell.
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 22, 2023 9:36:04 GMT -7
Pretty tough to get retention on that long a term. Unless salary goes back the other way trading for parayko is a tough sell. I think it was St. Louis who is not willing to retain salary on any player
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Post by igibb on Feb 22, 2023 9:42:59 GMT -7
This was the first year of Parayko's deal and has a NTC. Says something if they are trying to shed it already. I have seen a couple of hockey media guys say his play has already started to drop off the last couple of years and Blues fans seem to be happy there is talk of moving him out. None of that is a good sign for a guy who is signed for the next 7 years.
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 22, 2023 10:32:47 GMT -7
This was the first year of Parayko's deal and has a NTC. Says something if they are trying to shed it already. I have seen a couple of hockey media guys say his play has already started to drop off the last couple of years and Blues fans seem to be happy there is talk of moving him out. None of that is a good sign for a guy who is signed for the next 7 years. Murmurs about a nagging back problem as well.
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 22, 2023 15:28:28 GMT -7
Pretty tough to get retention on that long a term. Unless salary goes back the other way trading for parayko is a tough sell. I think it was St. Louis who is not willing to retain salary on any player yep, that was my point. salary going back the other way meant we give them enough contracts to make up for his contract, or they retain, either way it's money in money out for us or no go.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 22, 2023 22:40:48 GMT -7
I think it was St. Louis who is not willing to retain salary on any player yep, that was my point. salary going back the other way meant we give them enough contracts to make up for his contract, or they retain, either way it's money in money out for us or no go. This phrase is a complete cop out! 16 team teams are currently using LTIR to stay cap compliant and 2 of those have already made big trades and you can bet your bottom dollar all in on Black/even that LV will make a splash at TDL now that they moved Weber? As my son would say "that's old man thinking"! There are a myriad of ways that other GMs are using to stay cap compliant that dont involve simple "money in money out" trades. I would say Kenny strikes me as a 76' Ford Thunderbird type guy, but he's starting to sound more like horse and buggy era TBH! If he stands pat, or does little because the price is too steep, or he "believes" the answer is in the room/on the farm? Fine! live/die with that decision/assessment! but FFS stop whining you can't make trades because we can only do money in money out? I can guarantee, you will see teams hard pressed up to the cap with LTIR, making trades this TDL, inc our western conf rivals. Whether these deals end up working or not is another matter? Again if KH does nothing-fine, but then if team ends up being bounced in first round or worse, not make the dance? then fire his sorry Fogolin2 and get someone who know how to use a calculator at least!
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 22, 2023 23:13:50 GMT -7
yep, that was my point. salary going back the other way meant we give them enough contracts to make up for his contract, or they retain, either way it's money in money out for us or no go. This phrase is a complete cop out! 16 team teams are currently using LTIR to stay cap compliant and 2 of those have already made big trades and you can bet your bottom dollar all in on Black/even that LV will make a splash at TDL now that they moved Weber? As my son would say "that's old man thinking"! There are a myriad of ways that other GMs are using to stay cap compliant that dont involve simple "money in money out" trades. I would say Kenny strikes me as a 76' Ford Thunderbird type guy, but he's starting to sound more like horse and buggy era TBH! If he stands pat, or does little because the price is too steep, or he "believes" the answer is in the room/on the farm? Fine! live/die with that decision/assessment! but FFS stop whining you can't make trades because we can only do money in money out? I can guarantee, you will see teams hard pressed up to the cap with LTIR, making trades this TDL, inc our western conf rivals. Whether these deals end up working or not is another matter? Again if KH does nothing-fine, but then if team ends up being bounced in first round or worse, not make the dance? then fire his sorry Fogolin2 and get someone who know how to use a calculator at least! sounds good to me. So you show me the Weber contract that we can unload in order to avoid a "money in money out" trade. We are not moving Connor Leon Evander Zack or Ryan, period Nobody would take Darnel at his term and dollar amount Jack has underperformed enough that it's a very tough sell to move nobody else is paid well enough to make a big enough dent by moving them.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 23, 2023 4:01:59 GMT -7
This phrase is a complete cop out! 16 team teams are currently using LTIR to stay cap compliant and 2 of those have already made big trades and you can bet your bottom dollar all in on Black/even that LV will make a splash at TDL now that they moved Weber? As my son would say "that's old man thinking"! There are a myriad of ways that other GMs are using to stay cap compliant that dont involve simple "money in money out" trades. I would say Kenny strikes me as a 76' Ford Thunderbird type guy, but he's starting to sound more like horse and buggy era TBH! If he stands pat, or does little because the price is too steep, or he "believes" the answer is in the room/on the farm? Fine! live/die with that decision/assessment! but FFS stop whining you can't make trades because we can only do money in money out? I can guarantee, you will see teams hard pressed up to the cap with LTIR, making trades this TDL, inc our western conf rivals. Whether these deals end up working or not is another matter? Again if KH does nothing-fine, but then if team ends up being bounced in first round or worse, not make the dance? then fire his sorry Fogolin2 and get someone who know how to use a calculator at least! sounds good to me. So you show me the Weber contract that we can unload in order to avoid a "money in money out" trade. We are not moving Connor Leon Evander Zack or Ryan, period Nobody would take Darnel at his term and dollar amount Jack has underperformed enough that it's a very tough sell to move nobody else is paid well enough to make a big enough dent by moving them. Ask yourself: How did Vegas end up with Weber? Why did they trade for a crippled D-man with no chance of ever playing again? How many Weber-like contracts are out there in The nhl right now? I can think of a few off top of my head. AFAIK those famous yotes Datsyuk, hossa and now Weber are all still yotes 😂 . That’s the point really. Where there’s a will, there’s probably a creative way. I hear for example NYR is exploring how to bring Kane in even though they have <$200k of space right now and just added Taresenko?? Fact is, other teams with just as little cap and just as much or more ltir, are making/will be making moves to try and get an edge for playoffs. And yes some will fail since there will only be 1 winner at the end. However, saying you can’t do anything because you’re right to the cap imo means you don’t know how to do your job properly and should be fireable offense. After all, why do we have zero space? Not like he inherited this team yesterday? EDM media may give Kenny a free pass, but I expect him to earn that $5M per year and maybe he will?? Still lots of time for an old dog to learn a new trick!
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Post by igibb on Feb 23, 2023 10:40:50 GMT -7
sounds good to me. So you show me the Weber contract that we can unload in order to avoid a "money in money out" trade. We are not moving Connor Leon Evander Zack or Ryan, period Nobody would take Darnel at his term and dollar amount Jack has underperformed enough that it's a very tough sell to move nobody else is paid well enough to make a big enough dent by moving them. Ask yourself: How did Vegas end up with Weber? Why did they trade for a crippled D-man with no chance of ever playing again? How many Weber-like contracts are out there in The nhl right now? I can think of a few off top of my head. AFAIK those famous yotes Datsyuk, hossa and now Weber are all still yotes 😂 . That’s the point really. Where there’s a will, there’s probably a creative way. I hear for example NYR is exploring how to bring Kane in even though they have <$200k of space right now and just added Taresenko?? Fact is, other teams with just as little cap and just as much or more ltir, are making/will be making moves to try and get an edge for playoffs. And yes some will fail since there will only be 1 winner at the end. However, saying you can’t do anything because you’re right to the cap imo means you don’t know how to do your job properly and should be fireable offense. After all, why do we have zero space? Not like he inherited this team yesterday? EDM media may give Kenny a free pass, but I expect him to earn that $5M per year and maybe he will?? Still lots of time for an old dog to learn a new trick! Vegas got Weber by trading a player with a $5 Million dollar cap hit that had score 20 goals. That's how they cleared cap space. Who do we have like that? Weber and all the other names you listed going the Arz were all also on old contracts that were heavily front loaded so taking them on meant paying practically nothing in actual dollars for the remainder of the contract. Those types of contracts haven't been legal for 10 years now so they are few and far between these days. Teams like Arizona are not taking on long term contracts that require paying millions of dollars every year to a player not playing. Kane is a possibility for the Rangers because he is on his last year of his contract so you get two teams to retain 50% of his salary and you trade away a few cheaper contracts and give away the farm in draft picks to get him. It would 100% be dollars in dollars out with the Rangers as well. we could and have been rumored to be in on Kane as well but is that what this team needs? The problem is the guys we are looking at have multiple years left on their contracts so teams are not going to retain 50% of an $11 million dollar contract for 4 years or 50% of a $6.5 million 7 year contract so we are able to fit them in under the cap. There are probably lots of names we could bring in and make a big splash but are they what this team needs? Making a trade for the sake of a trade is just as bad as not making one at all. People also need to remember there are actual dollars being paid to these players and owners who have to shell out those dollars. You need to get a Mangiapane load back in a trade as an owner to agree to pay close to $6 million dollars for someone you no longer have for the next 4 years. To put it onto perspective the Wild just got a 4th round pick for paying about $600,000 of O'Reillys contract for this year.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 23, 2023 18:21:31 GMT -7
Ask yourself: How did Vegas end up with Weber? Why did they trade for a crippled D-man with no chance of ever playing again? How many Weber-like contracts are out there in The nhl right now? I can think of a few off top of my head. AFAIK those famous yotes Datsyuk, hossa and now Weber are all still yotes 😂 . That’s the point really. Where there’s a will, there’s probably a creative way. I hear for example NYR is exploring how to bring Kane in even though they have <$200k of space right now and just added Taresenko?? Fact is, other teams with just as little cap and just as much or more ltir, are making/will be making moves to try and get an edge for playoffs. And yes some will fail since there will only be 1 winner at the end. However, saying you can’t do anything because you’re right to the cap imo means you don’t know how to do your job properly and should be fireable offense. After all, why do we have zero space? Not like he inherited this team yesterday? EDM media may give Kenny a free pass, but I expect him to earn that $5M per year and maybe he will?? Still lots of time for an old dog to learn a new trick! Vegas got Weber by trading a player with a $5 Million dollar cap hit that had score 20 goals. That's how they cleared cap space. Who do we have like that? Weber and all the other names you listed going the Arz were all also on old contracts that were heavily front loaded so taking them on meant paying practically nothing in actual dollars for the remainder of the contract. Those types of contracts haven't been legal for 10 years now so they are few and far between these days. Teams like Arizona are not taking on long term contracts that require paying millions of dollars every year to a player not playing. Kane is a possibility for the Rangers because he is on his last year of his contract so you get two teams to retain 50% of his salary and you trade away a few cheaper contracts and give away the farm in draft picks to get him. It would 100% be dollars in dollars out with the Rangers as well. we could and have been rumored to be in on Kane as well but is that what this team needs? The problem is the guys we are looking at have multiple years left on their contracts so teams are not going to retain 50% of an $11 million dollar contract for 4 years or 50% of a $6.5 million 7 year contract so we are able to fit them in under the cap. There are probably lots of names we could bring in and make a big splash but are they what this team needs? Making a trade for the sake of a trade is just as bad as not making one at all. People also need to remember there are actual dollars being paid to these players and owners who have to shell out those dollars. You need to get a Mangiapane load back in a trade as an owner to agree to pay close to $6 million dollars for someone you no longer have for the next 4 years. To put it onto perspective the Wild just got a 4th round pick for paying about $600,000 of O'Reillys contract for this year. What happens if they trade Klefbom?
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