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Post by toley on Jan 21, 2023 12:19:41 GMT -7
If janmark missed last game, this could be the reason for the recall if he's out for longer Janmark was playing well, could he be part of a trade? I wouldn't think so. News is Yamamoto's injury is up in the air. |
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Post by drtaf on Jan 23, 2023 16:34:15 GMT -7
Janmark was playing well, could he be part of a trade? I wouldn't think so. News is Yamamoto's injury is up in the air. apparently Jannmark was a little banged up but he's taking practice reps with team today as Kane has "personal matters" to deal with. I believe the personal matters revolve around his bancruptcy filing and he has to go court sort it out. Not a new development just this kind of thing tends to drag out and has to be dealt with in person at some point. Hopefully this is the last of it. In other news (verified by photos on twitter), Mr Klim and Hollywood doing a bit of ice-fishing together and the "Big Dogs" took Jesse out for dinner. Big dogs" was JP's description of McD, Drai and Nurse. Drai as ever gave the perfect response when hearing JP's description of them, He just laughed and said "WE'RE "ALL BIG DOGS"! Love to see team bonding and coming together, despite our neg MSM manufacturing drama where there is none
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Post by toley on Jan 23, 2023 17:23:26 GMT -7
I wouldn't think so. News is Yamamoto's injury is up in the air. apparently Jannmark was a little banged up but he's taking practice reps with team today as Kane has "personal matters" to deal with. I believe the personal matters revolve around his bancruptcy filing and he has to go court sort it out. Not a new development just this kind of thing tends to drag out and has to be dealt with in person at some point. Hopefully this is the last of it. In other news (verified by photos on twitter), Mr Klim and Hollywood doing a bit of ice-fishing together and the "Big Dogs" took Jesse out for dinner. Big dogs" was JP's description of McD, Drai and Nurse. Drai as ever gave the perfect response when hearing JP's description of them, He just laughed and said "WE'RE "ALL BIG DOGS"! Love to see team bonding and coming together, despite our neg MSM manufacturing drama where there is none Janmark was out against the Bolts with a sudden illness. Yeah I saw the Oilers Vancouver dinner picture, great to see. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 31, 2023 18:25:35 GMT -7
Frank Seravalli from DailyFaceoff reported today on Oilersnow with Bob Staufer that the Oilers were very close on pulling the trigger on a Jesse Puljujaarvi trade before Yam went down to LTIR. If so, then it's quite possible they are just waiting for Yam to return on or around Feb 12 which could also mean we might be looking at a JP trade in the next week or so.
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Post by drtaf on Jan 31, 2023 19:04:47 GMT -7
Frank Seravalli from DailyFaceoff reported today on Oilersnow with Bob Staufer that the Oilers were very close on pulling the trigger on a Jesse Puljujaarvi trade before Yam went down to LTIR. If so, then it's quite possible they are just waiting for Yam to return on or around Feb 12 which could also mean we might be looking at a JP trade in the next week or so. Sort of wish that sentence was reversed and Yam was being traded in a week or 2 and JP on LTIR? But honestly, neither brings $3M worth to the table so in the end it doesnt matter except it hopefully means some more cap is freed up to bring in someone with potential to make a diff like another KLIM or decent stay at home D-man??
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Post by toley on Jan 31, 2023 20:22:47 GMT -7
Frank Seravalli from DailyFaceoff reported today on Oilersnow with Bob Staufer that the Oilers were very close on pulling the trigger on a Jesse Puljujaarvi trade before Yam went down to LTIR. If so, then it's quite possible they are just waiting for Yam to return on or around Feb 12 which could also mean we might be looking at a JP trade in the next week or so. That almost makes it sound like they're not trading for another player and it's just a cap dump? |
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 31, 2023 20:29:13 GMT -7
Frank Seravalli from DailyFaceoff reported today on Oilersnow with Bob Staufer that the Oilers were very close on pulling the trigger on a Jesse Puljujaarvi trade before Yam went down to LTIR. If so, then it's quite possible they are just waiting for Yam to return on or around Feb 12 which could also mean we might be looking at a JP trade in the next week or so. That almost makes it sound like they're not trading for another player and it's just a cap dump? or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years
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Post by toley on Jan 31, 2023 20:53:56 GMT -7
That almost makes it sound like they're not trading for another player and it's just a cap dump? or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years Future considerations or a pick you can flip it at Trade deadline? My thoughts on it would to make room for Trade Deadline deals. You trade Puljujarvi, and without Yamamoto you don't have anyone to fill that spot so you hold off til Yamamoto is back, aswell you can reactivate Yamamoto with Puljujarvi off the books. My preference would hope to be a roster player back, or throw Puljujarvi in a bigger deal. |
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Post by yuke on Jan 31, 2023 20:54:37 GMT -7
That almost makes it sound like they're not trading for another player and it's just a cap dump? or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years Again, I disagree with the NOW and believe in next year once Broberg, Holloway etc settle in. But I agree with toley. If it was for a player there would be no need to wait. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 31, 2023 22:02:32 GMT -7
or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years Again, I disagree with the NOW and believe in next year once Broberg, Holloway etc settle in. But I agree with toley. If it was for a player there would be no need to wait. yea when I said NOW... I wasn't saying 2023 and only 2023. I meant our window is now, in a few years that window starts to close.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 1, 2023 9:16:19 GMT -7
That almost makes it sound like they're not trading for another player and it's just a cap dump? or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years I am okay with a cap dump. JP has been underwhelming to say the least. A minimum salary energy/physical player could be just as effective. I think last year with Keith helping Bouchard they were better suited for a deep run than this year. Now this could change but until now, they have not been consistent enough. It may just be semantics but if "now" means this season then I am sceptical and disagree. The best "trade" is still developing from within and that likely requires 2-3 years. The weakness on the team is top 6 RW and 2nd pair LD. The LD should be Broberg with another year at minimum. The RW need is the unknown. Some minor tweaks to the bottom 3 should be done by trading for some more muscle. I think that Holloway has been playing well, except for the dumb pass vs. Chicago, but he is not being used properly. He has his feet wet at this point and needs more minutes. Holloway is the replacement for JP. I worry about Yams ability to stay healthy. His relentless play is great but he is getting crushed too often. A 6'2" and 220 lb version would be great... Kostin 2.0. |
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Post by drtaf on Feb 2, 2023 23:29:22 GMT -7
or a pick or prospect. That being said, I can't imagine that being the case as we are in a window now, the smartest thing to do is trade for a roster player that will help this team fight for a championship now, not in 5 years I am okay with a cap dump. JP has been underwhelming to say the least. A minimum salary energy/physical player could be just as effective. I think last year with Keith helping Bouchard they were better suited for a deep run than this year. Now this could change but until now, they have not been consistent enough. It may just be semantics but if "now" means this season then I am sceptical and disagree. The best "trade" is still developing from within and that likely requires 2-3 years. The weakness on the team is top 6 RW and 2nd pair LD. The LD should be Broberg with another year at minimum. The RW need is the unknown. Some minor tweaks to the bottom 3 should be done by trading for some more muscle. I think that Holloway has been playing well, except for the dumb pass vs. Chicago, but he is not being used properly. He has his feet wet at this point and needs more minutes. Holloway is the replacement for JP. I worry about Yams ability to stay healthy. His relentless play is great but he is getting crushed too often. A 6'2" and 220 lb version would be great... Kostin 2.0. Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but its an interesting read from Yost on Oilers being a dark horse and why this year of all years may be the year to cash the chips in? Basically he's saying that unlike most years where the dynamic duo have carried the team, the norm on most nights is that this team is dominating others and not just on the PP and therefore their expected to win and since he believes we have overall improved a lot since last year and the Avs in particular dont seem to be quite as good, this is the time and perfect opportunity to go for it.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 3, 2023 18:06:35 GMT -7
I am okay with a cap dump. JP has been underwhelming to say the least. A minimum salary energy/physical player could be just as effective. I think last year with Keith helping Bouchard they were better suited for a deep run than this year. Now this could change but until now, they have not been consistent enough. It may just be semantics but if "now" means this season then I am sceptical and disagree. The best "trade" is still developing from within and that likely requires 2-3 years. The weakness on the team is top 6 RW and 2nd pair LD. The LD should be Broberg with another year at minimum. The RW need is the unknown. Some minor tweaks to the bottom 3 should be done by trading for some more muscle. I think that Holloway has been playing well, except for the dumb pass vs. Chicago, but he is not being used properly. He has his feet wet at this point and needs more minutes. Holloway is the replacement for JP. I worry about Yams ability to stay healthy. His relentless play is great but he is getting crushed too often. A 6'2" and 220 lb version would be great... Kostin 2.0. Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but its an interesting read from Yost on Oilers being a dark horse and why this year of all years may be the year to cash the chips in? Basically he's saying that unlike most years where the dynamic duo have carried the team, the norm on most nights is that this team is dominating others and not just on the PP and therefore their expected to win and since he believes we have overall improved a lot since last year and the Avs in particular dont seem to be quite as good, this is the time and perfect opportunity to go for it.
Your article applies to this conversation. I challenge it to a degree insomuch that our young defense is just starting to find their form and trading them in for mid 20's top d-man is unaffordable due to the cap reality, plus I think Broberg and Bouchard have a higher ceiling than any of the names floating around. Maybe an upgrade could occur for Kulak but that is unlikely. Next year the Sekera and Lucic penalties expire which frees up $2.25 mil. This could contribute to an upgrade for top 6 RW. I am not in favor of trading youth for age this season and believe that the Oilers would suffer for it in the long run. For this year I can see some minor tweaks to the bottom of the roster. The west is up for grabs so by all accounts the Oilers could certainly go on a good run. At the same time, they are not to the level of the Bruins just yet. If everything comes together at the same time they could be. However, they have not shown the killer instinct against lesser teams and have made things harder on themselves then they need to on numerous occasions. I have yet to see the Oilers impose their will on a regular basis. The frustrating thing is that I believe that they have it in them. Again, we need to see it more often. |
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Post by drtaf on Feb 3, 2023 20:16:24 GMT -7
Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but its an interesting read from Yost on Oilers being a dark horse and why this year of all years may be the year to cash the chips in? Basically he's saying that unlike most years where the dynamic duo have carried the team, the norm on most nights is that this team is dominating others and not just on the PP and therefore their expected to win and since he believes we have overall improved a lot since last year and the Avs in particular dont seem to be quite as good, this is the time and perfect opportunity to go for it.
Your article applies to this conversation. I challenge it to a degree insomuch that our young defense is just starting to find their form and trading them in for mid 20's top d-man is unaffordable due to the cap reality, plus I think Broberg and Bouchard have a higher ceiling than any of the names floating around. Maybe an upgrade could occur for Kulak but that is unlikely. Next year the Sekera and Lucic penalties expire which frees up $2.25 mil. This could contribute to an upgrade for top 6 RW. I am not in favor of trading youth for age this season and believe that the Oilers would suffer for it in the long run. For this year I can see some minor tweaks to the bottom of the roster. The west is up for grabs so by all accounts the Oilers could certainly go on a good run. At the same time, they are not to the level of the Bruins just yet. If everything comes together at the same time they could be. However, they have not shown the killer instinct against lesser teams and have made things harder on themselves then they need to on numerous occasions. I have yet to see the Oilers impose their will on a regular basis. The frustrating thing is that I believe that they have it in them. Again, we need to see it more often. 100% agree with your assessment Neuf. My only real question is: Why aren't we truly elite yet given we're into season 8 of McDrai? Obviously thats not all on KH and maybe none of it is? He had a pretty big PC mess to clean up. However, Overall, I think he's been ok, to pretty good. but as I posted elsewhere, I think a GM needs to be damn near perfect to create a CDN SCW. Maybe that's unfair to KH to expect near perfection? Afterall, his only "missteps" have been fairly small ones IMO. However, I also think he hasn't made any major steps period, so you can't make a major blunder, if you dont make a major move?? This year isnt shaping up to be best time to make that "big move" but running away from it indefinitely, isnt the answer either IMO? Sometimes I feel what Kenny is doing, is making the "safe moves" so as not to jeopardise his job?. I just wonder how long we should keep "Steady Keny" behind the wheel before its too late to make an actual legit run?
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Post by toley on Feb 4, 2023 10:21:14 GMT -7
Your article applies to this conversation. I challenge it to a degree insomuch that our young defense is just starting to find their form and trading them in for mid 20's top d-man is unaffordable due to the cap reality, plus I think Broberg and Bouchard have a higher ceiling than any of the names floating around. Maybe an upgrade could occur for Kulak but that is unlikely. Next year the Sekera and Lucic penalties expire which frees up $2.25 mil. This could contribute to an upgrade for top 6 RW. I am not in favor of trading youth for age this season and believe that the Oilers would suffer for it in the long run. For this year I can see some minor tweaks to the bottom of the roster. The west is up for grabs so by all accounts the Oilers could certainly go on a good run. At the same time, they are not to the level of the Bruins just yet. If everything comes together at the same time they could be. However, they have not shown the killer instinct against lesser teams and have made things harder on themselves then they need to on numerous occasions. I have yet to see the Oilers impose their will on a regular basis. The frustrating thing is that I believe that they have it in them. Again, we need to see it more often. 100% agree with your assessment Neuf. My only real question is: Why aren't we truly elite yet given we're into season 8 of McDrai? Obviously thats not all on KH and maybe none of it is? He had a pretty big PC mess to clean up. However, Overall, I think he's been ok, to pretty good. but as I posted elsewhere, I think a GM needs to be damn near perfect to create a CDN SCW. Maybe that's unfair to KH to expect near perfection? Afterall, his only "missteps" have been fairly small ones IMO. However, I also think he hasn't made any major steps period, so you can't make a major blunder, if you dont make a major move?? This year isnt shaping up to be best time to make that "big move" but running away from it indefinitely, isnt the answer either IMO? Sometimes I feel what Kenny is doing, is making the "safe moves" so as not to jeopardise his job?. I just wonder how long we should keep "Steady Keny" behind the wheel before its too late to make an actual legit run? Why aren't we an elite team? Well some timely miscues, contracts that didn't live up to their standards, covid has hindered recently, goaltending has been a issue for a while, and running through coaches. You need a coach that plays players to their strengths. Also need a good player mixture, this is the best top 6 the Oilers have had in a decade, and tweaks are always necessary. As for the big move, I'd feel differently about it if this team was #1 in the Pacific the whole time and top 3 in the west I'd say move whatever isn't nailed down but they haven't so the safe move/tweaks are the smart moves, for now. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 4, 2023 11:19:55 GMT -7
Your article applies to this conversation. I challenge it to a degree insomuch that our young defense is just starting to find their form and trading them in for mid 20's top d-man is unaffordable due to the cap reality, plus I think Broberg and Bouchard have a higher ceiling than any of the names floating around. Maybe an upgrade could occur for Kulak but that is unlikely. Next year the Sekera and Lucic penalties expire which frees up $2.25 mil. This could contribute to an upgrade for top 6 RW. I am not in favor of trading youth for age this season and believe that the Oilers would suffer for it in the long run. For this year I can see some minor tweaks to the bottom of the roster. The west is up for grabs so by all accounts the Oilers could certainly go on a good run. At the same time, they are not to the level of the Bruins just yet. If everything comes together at the same time they could be. However, they have not shown the killer instinct against lesser teams and have made things harder on themselves then they need to on numerous occasions. I have yet to see the Oilers impose their will on a regular basis. The frustrating thing is that I believe that they have it in them. Again, we need to see it more often. 100% agree with your assessment Neuf. My only real question is: Why aren't we truly elite yet given we're into season 8 of McDrai? Obviously thats not all on KH and maybe none of it is? He had a pretty big PC mess to clean up. However, Overall, I think he's been ok, to pretty good. but as I posted elsewhere, I think a GM needs to be damn near perfect to create a CDN SCW. Maybe that's unfair to KH to expect near perfection? Afterall, his only "missteps" have been fairly small ones IMO. However, I also think he hasn't made any major steps period, so you can't make a major blunder, if you dont make a major move?? This year isnt shaping up to be best time to make that "big move" but running away from it indefinitely, isnt the answer either IMO? Sometimes I feel what Kenny is doing, is making the "safe moves" so as not to jeopardise his job?. I just wonder how long we should keep "Steady Keny" behind the wheel before its too late to make an actual legit run? I'd rather have a Steady Kenny than a Dubious Dubas....making splashy moves with key pieces, and circling the bowl in year 7 of Matthews My honest belief is there is more risk to making a big move right now than standing pat. With the progression we're seeing in the team, and some key players, I think we're closer than we might realize. Heck, even Drai sating that he hasn't been too happy with his own game up to this point of the season....like, wut?! If he finds another level, look tf out. After seeing the effect that Kostin had, I'd be looking for another one of those spare parts in exchange for Pulju (gonna cost us another asset, I know:). That cap space and another piece might be enough for a 2LD upgrade, and that's about all I see. I still believe that Kulak has more to give. I'm hoping he comes out of this break and returns to last year's form. Not exciting, but we don't need PK Subban. We need Adam Larsson.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 4, 2023 18:16:24 GMT -7
100% agree with your assessment Neuf. My only real question is: Why aren't we truly elite yet given we're into season 8 of McDrai? Obviously thats not all on KH and maybe none of it is? He had a pretty big PC mess to clean up. However, Overall, I think he's been ok, to pretty good. but as I posted elsewhere, I think a GM needs to be damn near perfect to create a CDN SCW. Maybe that's unfair to KH to expect near perfection? Afterall, his only "missteps" have been fairly small ones IMO. However, I also think he hasn't made any major steps period, so you can't make a major blunder, if you dont make a major move?? This year isnt shaping up to be best time to make that "big move" but running away from it indefinitely, isnt the answer either IMO? Sometimes I feel what Kenny is doing, is making the "safe moves" so as not to jeopardise his job?. I just wonder how long we should keep "Steady Keny" behind the wheel before its too late to make an actual legit run? I'd rather have a Steady Kenny than a Dubious Dubas....making splashy moves with key pieces, and circling the bowl in year 7 of Matthews My honest belief is there is more risk to making a big move right now than standing pat. With the progression we're seeing in the team, and some key players, I think we're closer than we might realize. Heck, even Drai sating that he hasn't been too happy with his own game up to this point of the season....like, wut?! If he finds another level, look tf out. After seeing the effect that Kostin had, I'd be looking for another one of those spare parts in exchange for Pulju (gonna cost us another asset, I know:). That cap space and another piece might be enough for a 2LD upgrade, and that's about all I see. I still believe that Kulak has more to give. I'm hoping he comes out of this break and returns to last year's form. Not exciting, but we don't need PK Subban. We need Adam Larsson. I'm inclined to agree fog, what you're saying is more or less same as Neuf. My frustration/disappointment is I feel, maybe we should be further down the path by now? The fact that we're not really ready to go all in because we're just too far out and better off making "small changes" at this TDL, I believe is a product of KH being too conservative throughout his tenure. People will disagree with that and think KH has overall done a great job, I say he's done more of a B-, can do better kind of job? WE are all speculating about whether McD and Drai will stay beyond their current contracts, but the point is moot. Given how slow the cap has/is going up, even if they want to stay, how the heck do we afford both of them and still build a team around them?? We are always maxed out chasing our cap tail now, McDrai are going to be making absolute min $6M+ more in 2-3 years. IMO the steady approach will only get you max as far as last year, you have to push most/all your chips in at one time if you're going to have a real shot at a title (especially in a cdn market). So are we going to see that next year, since its not happening this year?
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 5, 2023 20:55:52 GMT -7
I'd rather have a Steady Kenny than a Dubious Dubas....making splashy moves with key pieces, and circling the bowl in year 7 of Matthews My honest belief is there is more risk to making a big move right now than standing pat. With the progression we're seeing in the team, and some key players, I think we're closer than we might realize. Heck, even Drai sating that he hasn't been too happy with his own game up to this point of the season....like, wut?! If he finds another level, look tf out. After seeing the effect that Kostin had, I'd be looking for another one of those spare parts in exchange for Pulju (gonna cost us another asset, I know:). That cap space and another piece might be enough for a 2LD upgrade, and that's about all I see. I still believe that Kulak has more to give. I'm hoping he comes out of this break and returns to last year's form. Not exciting, but we don't need PK Subban. We need Adam Larsson. I'm inclined to agree fog, what you're saying is more or less same as Neuf. My frustration/disappointment is I feel, maybe we should be further down the path by now? The fact that we're not really ready to go all in because we're just too far out and better off making "small changes" at this TDL, I believe is a product of KH being too conservative throughout his tenure. People will disagree with that and think KH has overall done a great job, I say he's done more of a B-, can do better kind of job? WE are all speculating about whether McD and Drai will stay beyond their current contracts, but the point is moot. Given how slow the cap has/is going up, even if they want to stay, how the heck do we afford both of them and still build a team around them?? We are always maxed out chasing our cap tail now, McDrai are going to be making absolute min $6M+ more in 2-3 years. IMO the steady approach will only get you max as far as last year, you have to push most/all your chips in at one time if you're going to have a real shot at a title (especially in a cdn market). So are we going to see that next year, since its not happening this year? I get the frustration. I just look at our team, and I don't see one "that thing". The thing that, if we had it, we'd be favored heavily to win the West and a coin toss to win the cup. The last few years it was goaltending, and we overcame that with the guys that we had. We're in a better position now with that position, so we can look at other spots. There's certainly some areas we can improve, but the prices are steep, and the results are not guaranteed. Also, I maintain that there is better play from the guys in the room. If Nurse keeps his play up, and him Drai and McD all stay healthy, we've got as good a shot as any... If one of those guys goes down, I don't think it will matter much what "that thing" we brought in. We're not going much farther.
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Post by toley on Feb 6, 2023 10:15:27 GMT -7
I'm inclined to agree fog, what you're saying is more or less same as Neuf. My frustration/disappointment is I feel, maybe we should be further down the path by now? The fact that we're not really ready to go all in because we're just too far out and better off making "small changes" at this TDL, I believe is a product of KH being too conservative throughout his tenure. People will disagree with that and think KH has overall done a great job, I say he's done more of a B-, can do better kind of job? WE are all speculating about whether McD and Drai will stay beyond their current contracts, but the point is moot. Given how slow the cap has/is going up, even if they want to stay, how the heck do we afford both of them and still build a team around them?? We are always maxed out chasing our cap tail now, McDrai are going to be making absolute min $6M+ more in 2-3 years. IMO the steady approach will only get you max as far as last year, you have to push most/all your chips in at one time if you're going to have a real shot at a title (especially in a cdn market). So are we going to see that next year, since its not happening this year? I get the frustration. I just look at our team, and I don't see one "that thing". The thing that, if we had it, we'd be favored heavily to win the West and a coin toss to win the cup. The last few years it was goaltending, and we overcame that with the guys that we had. We're in a better position now with that position, so we can look at other spots. There's certainly some areas we can improve, but the prices are steep, and the results are not guaranteed. Also, I maintain that there is better play from the guys in the room. If Nurse keeps his play up, and him Drai and McD all stay healthy, we've got as good a shot as any... If one of those guys goes down, I don't think it will matter much what "that thing" we brought in. We're not going much farther. It's rare but sometimes small moves can change a team significantly, anything can happen. Oilersnation put a video on the tube going through Holland's Trade Deadline acquisitions from the start of the cap era on, and he's never gone "All In" at a deadline. |
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Post by mrtea on Feb 6, 2023 13:46:50 GMT -7
FINALLY! There's a game tomorrow.....and it's an early start! YAAAAYYY!!!
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