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Post by toley on Aug 19, 2024 6:23:29 GMT -7
Wow. All the rumors that nobody will help us out. Teams wanted a first with Ceci or Kulak. So much Bullshut on the internet Not sure why the Nucks would do the trade but it makes sense why the Sharks would. Mike Grier (former Oiler) did us a favor. Emberson played for Knobs in Hartford, hopefully there is something there. He is 24 but after next year he becomes not an RFA but a UFA. Will have to dig into why this is the case. Cause Podkolzin himself needed a change, they did right by the player more then helping the Oilers. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 6:37:49 GMT -7
Not sure why the Nucks would do the trade but it makes sense why the Sharks would. Mike Grier (former Oiler) did us a favor. Emberson played for Knobs in Hartford, hopefully there is something there. He is 24 but after next year he becomes not an RFA but a UFA. Will have to dig into why this is the case. Cause Podkolzin himself needed a change, they did right by the player more then helping the Oilers. Word is he was not happy in Vancouver. From Nucks side, Pod is no longer waiver exempt so if Nucks waive him he gets claimed for nothing. At least this way they get a pick out of it.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 7:04:10 GMT -7
ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/oilers-defender-eye-opening-addition-124249167.htmlEmberson looks pretty good to replace Ceci for .950k vs Ceci's 3.25 playing 3rd pairing RD. Think Oilers match both Holly and Broberg but will waive Holly for SJ to claim him. Edmonton loses the 3rd round compensation pick but they cleared cap with Ceci for a cheaper, younger replacement. So our cost will essentially be two 3 rounders and the loss of Holloway to get this done. Pod in for a 4th. What would be even better would be to waive Broberg also so SJ can also claim him and SJ trades us Walman or Ferraro for a pick. They get Broberg and a pick, we get one of SJ top 4 younger D that is 1.2-1.5 mil cheaper than Broberg. SJ also gets Holloway.
SJ gets Holloway and Broberg plus 2 picks, Vancouver gets a pick. We get Pod, Emberson and one of Walman/Ferraro. We would also lose out on our two compensation picks. Just spitballing. We still get younger, better and save cap space. No Broberg wild card.
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Post by yuke on Aug 19, 2024 8:32:25 GMT -7
Not sure why the Nucks would do the trade but it makes sense why the Sharks would. Mike Grier (former Oiler) did us a favor. Emberson played for Knobs in Hartford, hopefully there is something there. He is 24 but after next year he becomes not an RFA but a UFA. Will have to dig into why this is the case. Because he will be 25 and as of now he hasn't yet played 80 NHL games. If he surpassed the 80 game mark before his contract runs out then he will still be an RFA if he doesn't then he is a group 6 UFA. He is signed for 2 more years, if he doesnt play 25 games in that time it would not be a big loss. All the Canucks new acquisitions have time as an extra |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 19, 2024 8:49:32 GMT -7
ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/oilers-defender-eye-opening-addition-124249167.htmlEmberson looks pretty good to replace Ceci for .950k vs Ceci's 3.25 playing 3rd pairing RD. Think Oilers match both Holly and Broberg but will waive Holly for SJ to claim him. Edmonton loses the 3rd round compensation pick but they cleared cap with Ceci for a cheaper, younger replacement. So our cost will essentially be two 3 rounders and the loss of Holloway to get this done. Pod in for a 4th. What would be even better would be to waive Broberg also so SJ can also claim him and SJ trades us Walman or Ferraro for a pick. They get Broberg and a pick, we get one of SJ top 4 younger D that is 1.2-1.5 mil cheaper than Broberg. SJ also gets Holloway.
SJ gets Holloway and Broberg plus 2 picks, Vancouver gets a pick. We get Pod, Emberson and one of Walman/Ferraro. We would also lose out on our two compensation picks. Just spitballing. We still get younger, better and save cap space. No Broberg wild card.
This would be some real out of the box thinking, if you're even close to being right Windsor? It would be hilarious if they both end up in SJ (i'm thinking it may just be hollywood, if anything) and STL left with nothing would be the "french kiss"!!! It's a bit early in the morning (pre coffee) for my comprehension, but can the oilers even waive either one once matched since they're not allowed to trade them? I thought they could send them down, but they wouldnt go through the waiver-wire process? My feeling is that SJ simply did oilers a solid and will get something back later, it's not like Emberson was a big part for SJ, although the fact he was the AHL D-man of the year under Knobby is kinda intriguing? I'd love to see Pod light it up and get 20 goals for us just so nuck fans have a nuclear implosion!!
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 8:55:10 GMT -7
Because he will be 25 and as of now he hasn't yet played 80 NHL games. If he surpassed the 80 game mark before his contract runs out then he will still be an RFA if he doesn't then he is a group 6 UFA. He is signed for 2 more years, if he doesnt play 25 games in that time it would not be a big loss. All the Canucks new acquisitions have time as an extra We are talking about Emberson, not Pod. Pod will be an RFA regardless after two years. As Igibb pointed out, Emberson needs to play 80 games, if he does he is an RFA, if not he's a UFA. He has played 30, so he needs to play 50 games. If not then he is a 1 yr rental that can still resign. Think he will be capable of taking Ceci's spot on the 3rd pair and getting all those games in.
He played 30 games for SJ and was a top 4 D. Good stats, -4 on the worst team in the league. Sounds pretty good, he did get an injury so hopefully this is not a problem.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 9:01:34 GMT -7
ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/oilers-defender-eye-opening-addition-124249167.htmlEmberson looks pretty good to replace Ceci for .950k vs Ceci's 3.25 playing 3rd pairing RD. Think Oilers match both Holly and Broberg but will waive Holly for SJ to claim him. Edmonton loses the 3rd round compensation pick but they cleared cap with Ceci for a cheaper, younger replacement. So our cost will essentially be two 3 rounders and the loss of Holloway to get this done. Pod in for a 4th. What would be even better would be to waive Broberg also so SJ can also claim him and SJ trades us Walman or Ferraro for a pick. They get Broberg and a pick, we get one of SJ top 4 younger D that is 1.2-1.5 mil cheaper than Broberg. SJ also gets Holloway. SJ gets Holloway and Broberg plus 2 picks, Vancouver gets a pick. We get Pod, Emberson and one of Walman/Ferraro. We would also lose out on our two compensation picks. Just spitballing. We still get younger, better and save cap space. No Broberg wild card.
This would be some real out of the box thinking, if you're even close to being right Windsor? It would be hilarious if they both end up in SJ (i'm thinking it may just be hollywood, if anything) and STL left with nothing would be the "french kiss"!!! It's a bit early in the morning (pre coffee) for my comprehension, but can the oilers even waive either one once matched since they're not allowed to trade them? I thought they could send them down, but they wouldnt go through the waiver-wire process? My feeling is that SJ simply did oilers a solid and will get something back later, it's not like Emberson was a big part for SJ, although the fact he was the AHL D-man of the year under Knobby is kinda intriguing? I'd love to see Pod light it up and get 20 goals for us just so nuck fans have a nuclear implosion!! After matching they can be waived, just not traded. So this adds some mystery on what the Oilers will do. It makes no sense for SJ to take Ceci for a 3rd and for them to give up a good young D on top of it. It's nice to do a solid but needs to be more to it. So they would get Holloway too. Then there needs to be more to it as you give up Ceci, Holloway, a 3rd and the lost compensation 3rd for Emberson only. The issue with my proposal is that the two Sharks D are LH D but so is Broberg. Not sure if they can play the right side like Broberg can.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 19, 2024 9:34:46 GMT -7
This would be some real out of the box thinking, if you're even close to being right Windsor? It would be hilarious if they both end up in SJ (i'm thinking it may just be hollywood, if anything) and STL left with nothing would be the "french kiss"!!! It's a bit early in the morning (pre coffee) for my comprehension, but can the oilers even waive either one once matched since they're not allowed to trade them? I thought they could send them down, but they wouldnt go through the waiver-wire process? My feeling is that SJ simply did oilers a solid and will get something back later, it's not like Emberson was a big part for SJ, although the fact he was the AHL D-man of the year under Knobby is kinda intriguing? I'd love to see Pod light it up and get 20 goals for us just so nuck fans have a nuclear implosion!! After matching they can be waived, just not traded. So this adds some mystery on what the Oilers will do. It makes no sense for SJ to take Ceci for a 3rd and for them to give up a good young D on top of it. It's nice to do a solid but needs to be more to it. So they would get Holloway too. Then there needs to be more to it as you give up Ceci, Holloway, a 3rd and the lost compensation 3rd for Emberson only. The issue with my proposal is that the two Sharks D are LH D but so is Broberg. Not sure if they can play the right side like Broberg can. I'd be shocked if either gets matched then waived so SJ can pick them up TBH? It's just "too progressive"  I just cant wrap my head around oiler management being this creative  Even putting Kane on LTIR for the season and bringing him back for playoffs seems like we are moving into twilight zone territory with this Org!  To circumvent the "no-trade" offer-sheet rules by matching, then waiving then doing a side deal afterwards would literally blow my mind that they could get that creative 
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 9:47:55 GMT -7
After matching they can be waived, just not traded. So this adds some mystery on what the Oilers will do. It makes no sense for SJ to take Ceci for a 3rd and for them to give up a good young D on top of it. It's nice to do a solid but needs to be more to it. So they would get Holloway too. Then there needs to be more to it as you give up Ceci, Holloway, a 3rd and the lost compensation 3rd for Emberson only. The issue with my proposal is that the two Sharks D are LH D but so is Broberg. Not sure if they can play the right side like Broberg can. I'd be shocked if either gets matched then waived so SJ can pick them up TBH? It's just "too progressive" I just cant wrap my head around oiler management being this creative Even putting Kane on LTIR for the season and bringing him back for playoffs seems like we are moving into twilight zone territory with this Org! To circumvent the "no-trade" offer-sheet rules by matching, then waiving then doing a side deal afterwards would literally blow my mind that they could get that creative It can be done (matching then waiving), mind blown also. Offer sheets are rare. Just hoping Oilers are better and younger in the end. Cup window and being good for longer is the wish all at the same time. Eat cake.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 19, 2024 10:03:26 GMT -7
Whatever happens re these offer sheets, has to be announced today, er no? I thought we had to match or pass by tomorrow morn? I'm anxiously waiting for some news to drop today.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 19, 2024 10:08:58 GMT -7
Whatever happens re these offer sheets, has to be announced today, er no? I thought we had to match or pass by tomorrow morn? I'm anxiously waiting for some news to drop today. I don't think anyone would announce "We're not matching.". The calendar will just flip and they will be Blues. Interesting moves today though. I wonder if they're targeting someone else, or matching an offer sheet or two.... Askarov announces that he wants out of Nashville. A Skinner-Askarov duo would be neat, and not too expensive.
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Post by igibb on Aug 19, 2024 10:10:52 GMT -7
Whatever happens re these offer sheets, has to be announced today, er no? I thought we had to match or pass by tomorrow morn? I'm anxiously waiting for some news to drop today. Nothing has to be announced today. Like you said they have until tomorrow morning to match or decline so no need to announce something beforehand. I would bet they take it to the last possible minute they can.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 19, 2024 10:22:18 GMT -7
Whatever happens re these offer sheets, has to be announced today, er no? I thought we had to match or pass by tomorrow morn? I'm anxiously waiting for some news to drop today. Nothing has to be announced today. Like you said they have until tomorrow morning to match or decline so no need to announce something beforehand. I would bet they take it to the last possible minute they can. Darn it, I wanna know NOW lol, but you are probably right. And so we wait...
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 19, 2024 10:22:27 GMT -7
Whatever happens re these offer sheets, has to be announced today, er no? I thought we had to match or pass by tomorrow morn? I'm anxiously waiting for some news to drop today. I don't think anyone would announce "We're not matching.". The calendar will just flip and they will be Blues. Interesting moves today though. I wonder if they're targeting someone else, or matching an offer sheet or two.... Askarov announces that he wants out of Nashville. A Skinner-Askarov duo would be neat, and not too expensive. Nicely done. If Preds accept Picks, what would it take?
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Post by drtaf on Aug 19, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -7
I don't think anyone would announce "We're not matching.". The calendar will just flip and they will be Blues. Interesting moves today though. I wonder if they're targeting someone else, or matching an offer sheet or two.... Askarov announces that he wants out of Nashville. A Skinner-Askarov duo would be neat, and not too expensive. Nicely done. If Preds accept Picks, what would it take? the Askarov news immediately made my ears bronco73 up? We've been good trading partners with preds before so some familiarity there could help? Askarov would also be very motivated to come here knowing that his only comp for the #1 position is Stu (thats not meant to be a knock just that i dont think stu can be considered our locked in incumbent yet)? My mind would well and truly be blown if SB announces that little nugget in the next 24hrs
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 20, 2024 6:50:51 GMT -7
Initial thoughts were correct. Been through every scenario. Looking at Pod, he's been trending down while Holloway up. Hopefully Pod gets new life as he is looking more like Pulj or Perlini, guess we never know. x.com/PuckPedia/status/1825885927149080944 |
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 20, 2024 7:20:07 GMT -7
Nicely done. If Preds accept Picks, what would it take? the Askarov news immediately made my ears bronco73 up? We've been good trading partners with preds before so some familiarity there could help? Askarov would also be very motivated to come here knowing that his only comp for the #1 position is Stu (thats not meant to be a knock just that i dont think stu can be considered our locked in incumbent yet)? My mind would well and truly be blown if SB announces that little nugget in the next 24hrs I was thinking it could be a good age combo too. Skinner just coming in to his own at 24-25, while Askarov is just getting started at 22(?). Could be a steady combo for years to come.
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Post by yuke on Aug 20, 2024 8:06:15 GMT -7
D isn't looking good atm.
I suspect more is to come very soon. You would think the team management would be addressing the media today, nothing announced yet.
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Post by yuke on Aug 20, 2024 8:07:15 GMT -7
the Askarov news immediately made my ears bronco73 up? We've been good trading partners with preds before so some familiarity there could help? Askarov would also be very motivated to come here knowing that his only comp for the #1 position is Stu (thats not meant to be a knock just that i dont think stu can be considered our locked in incumbent yet)? My mind would well and truly be blown if SB announces that little nugget in the next 24hrs I was thinking it could be a good age combo too. Skinner just coming in to his own at 24-25, while Askarov is just getting started at 22(?). Could be a steady combo for years to come. That would be a dream duo to have on this team. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 20, 2024 8:14:31 GMT -7
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I just cant wrap my head around oiler management being this creative 
Even putting Kane on LTIR for the season and bringing him back for playoffs seems like we are moving into twilight zone territory with this Org! 
To circumvent the "no-trade" offer-sheet rules by matching, then waiving then doing a side deal afterwards would literally blow my mind that they could get that creative 
