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Post by yuke on Aug 20, 2024 8:32:16 GMT -7
Yes, saw that 5 minutes after I posted |
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Post by toley on Aug 20, 2024 8:40:20 GMT -7
D isn't looking good atm. I suspect more is to come very soon. You would think the team management would be addressing the media today, nothing announced yet. I don't anything major, probably just a PTO or 2. |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 9:10:25 GMT -7
D isn't looking good atm. I suspect more is to come very soon. You would think the team management would be addressing the media today, nothing announced yet. I don't anything major, probably just a PTO or 2. I suspect nothing is imminent either. Training camp's still over a month away and I'm not sure they will do much before seeing what all the "D-tweeners" they have on their roster can do? There is a spot begging for the likes of Brown, Stecher, Emberson to show up in tip top shape and state their case! The other rookies in the A must be thinking they have a shot too if they can blow the coaches out of the water + any proverbial PTOs? I suspect the oilers will try and make do with what they have and see if they can cruise to the TDL and accrue some cap along the way and then go after someone significant on d then (a la ekholm)? IMO, we dont necessarily need a top 4 d right now, what we need is someone that is going to make forwards very scared to come into our blue paint. Broberg was never going to be that guy, so maybe we get a cheap 3rd pair guy who is? That's not to say I'm still a little pissed both he and Hollywood were lost for a 2nd and a 3rd, but I can see where SB was left in a pretty untenable situation here by the previous handling of them? looking at it now from JJ and SB's pov, they re-signed a bunch of vets at discount prices and still have to convince Drai, bouch and later McD to take a discount, so handing 2 rookies big fat paychecks when they havent proved much yet might have caused quite a bit of internal strife, albeit i doubt anyone would say it out loud? this storyline/plot will stay juicy and on-going for most of this season depending how the oilers manage and how well or poorly broberg and holloway play for the blues. The 3rd and futures STL just gave the oilers is quite a fascinating head scratcher too? 
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Post by mrtea on Aug 20, 2024 9:24:46 GMT -7
I don't anything major, probably just a PTO or 2. I suspect nothing is imminent either. Training camp's still over a month away and I'm not sure they will do much before seeing what all the "D-tweeners" they have on their roster can do? There is a spot begging for the likes of Brown, Stecher, Emberson to show up in tip top shape and state their case! The other rookies in the A must be thinking they have a shot too if they can blow the coaches out of the water + any proverbial PTOs? I suspect the oilers will try and make do with what they have and see if they can cruise to the TDL and accrue some cap along the way and then go after someone significant on d then (a la ekholm)? IMO, we dont necessarily need a top 4 d right now, what we need is someone that is going to make forwards very scared to come into our blue paint. Broberg was never going to be that guy, so maybe we get a cheap 3rd pair guy who is? That's not to say I'm still a little pissed both he and Hollywood were lost for a 2nd and a 3rd, but I can see where SB was left in a pretty untenable situation here by the previous handling of them? looking at it now from JJ and SB's pov, they re-signed a bunch of vets at discount prices and still have to convince Drai, bouch and later McD to take a discount, so handing 2 rookies big fat paychecks when they havent proved much yet might have caused quite a bit of internal strife, albeit i doubt anyone would say it out loud? this storyline/plot will stay juicy and on-going for most of this season depending how the oilers manage and how well or poorly broberg and holloway play for the blues. The 3rd and futures STL just gave the oilers is quite a fascinating head scratcher too? I've said it a few times now, but bottom line there is no extra impedance to signing Bouchard's next contract. I feel Draisaitl's contract is a done deal with a few loose ends that will get done no matter what else is happening, that's why I keep focussing on Bouchard. Someone earlier was commenting on how rare or not the right hand top 4 Dman is comparing one to a unicorn. We just so happen to have "the unicorn" that is a right shot Dman that is a PP specialist "QB" with a "bomb" of a shot. Bouchard and his "Bouchbomb" are truly special and rare and we need to lock him up so the fewer distractions the better.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 20, 2024 9:50:41 GMT -7
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Post by toley on Aug 20, 2024 10:04:26 GMT -7
I think this was the best outcome, with the circumstance. Bowman did an ok job on this. |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 10:57:23 GMT -7
I think this was the best outcome, with the circumstance. Bowman did an ok job on this. Considering this was not of his making he did as well as could be expected and I thought he handled it very well and I'm not one to lavish praise on GMs LOL! 
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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 11:18:44 GMT -7
Do you really think Bowman is the "Dummy" in all this? He was served a shiit sandwich and now has to dress it up as a "fecal implant" that will end up being good for the organization?
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 20, 2024 12:15:55 GMT -7
Never been a gm that knew nearly what Windsor does |
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 20, 2024 12:33:33 GMT -7
Oilers will be ok without them. Emberson sounds good and if Podkolzin comes around could be very good. I’m feeling good about everything to be honest. I like Stetcher when he was in last year for the most part and don’t know much about brown. They will be fine as third pairing d men. Can always upgrade at the deadline. I love our forward group. Holloway would not have been a difference maker for us and I do feel between podkolzin and a few others on the farm that Holloway spot is easily filled.
The one thing I’m glad about is we didn’t panic and sign them both to those outrageous contracts. That would have hurt us way more imo
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Post by mrtea on Aug 20, 2024 12:45:40 GMT -7
Oilers will be ok without them. Emberson sounds good and if Podkolzin comes around could be very good. I’m feeling good about everything to be honest. I like Stetcher when he was in last year for the most part and don’t know much about brown. They will be fine as third pairing d men. Can always upgrade at the deadline. I love our forward group. Holloway would not have been a difference maker for us and I do feel between podkolzin and a few others on the farm that Holloway spot is easily filled. The one thing I’m glad about is we didn’t panic and sign them both to those outrageous contracts. That would have hurt us way more imo Now we can focus on Draisaitl's contract and then hopefully soon after Bouchard's contract. Those are the two things that have my attention and I hope they can be done sooner rather than later. The offer sheets were a speed bump and while we did lose prospects, it seems like they wanted to leave, so......."Here's your hat, what's your hurry?" "don't let the door hit you on the way out".
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 20, 2024 13:54:12 GMT -7
Do you really think Bowman is the "Dummy" in all this? He was served a shiit sandwich and now has to dress it up as a "fecal implant" that will end up being good for the organization? He comes with a bad reputation and most did not want him here. The drama he brings is unnecessary. If the lowball offers are true and 39 yr old Perry makes more maybe he could have focused on the kids contracts a bit more. Bump it up a bit, don't try to squeeze them for a million x 2 or 3 years. Too late now.
Don't pay a few guys all the money, be capped strapped to the gills, young players need some coin and opportunity too. Been discussed all summer.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 14:30:34 GMT -7
Do you really think Bowman is the "Dummy" in all this? He was served a shiit sandwich and now has to dress it up as a "fecal implant" that will end up being good for the organization? He comes with a bad reputation and most did not want him here. The drama he brings is unnecessary. If the lowball offers are true and 39 yr old Perry makes more maybe he could have focused on the kids contracts a bit more. Bump it up a bit, don't try to squeeze them for a million x 2 or 3 years. Too late now.
Don't pay a few guys all the money, be capped strapped to the gills, young players need some coin and opportunity too. Been discussed all summer.
That's why i asked when was the 1.1M tendered to broberg? SB has been in charge less than 2 weeks and this was dumped on him basically a few days after he was hired and Bro's agent said he'd been fielding "offer sheets" for "some time" so i dont see how this could possibly fall on SB's timeline? As for his rep, Armstrong stated clearly he'd have done this to his own mother so KH, Bowman etc?, makes no diff, it was a business decision no more no less. This fiasco was more than a year in the making and the architect of it all is having a good chuckle, sipping his vino overlooking OK lake dreaming of how he'll spend his $25M? KH's tenure may have ended before these OS's came but the biggest burden is on him IMO, not sorting this out a year ago. its all coulda shoulda woulda i know, but ironically, my belief is KH is old school and probably believes in the GM "bro code" of not offer sheeting another team and that's why he probably felt it was no big deal at the time and would not have seen this coming, even if he was still in charge? As for SB and his "rep" coming from the hawks, People are entitled to hold that against him if they want, my anger was/is aimed mostly on the perp who committed the crime.
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Post by toley on Aug 20, 2024 14:37:30 GMT -7
Do you really think Bowman is the "Dummy" in all this? He was served a shiit sandwich and now has to dress it up as a "fecal implant" that will end up being good for the organization? He comes with a bad reputation and most did not want him here. The drama he brings is unnecessary. If the lowball offers are true and 39 yr old Perry makes more maybe he could have focused on the kids contracts a bit more. Bump it up a bit, don't try to squeeze them for a million x 2 or 3 years. Too late now.
Don't pay a few guys all the money, be capped strapped to the gills, young players need some coin and opportunity too. Been discussed all summer.
Bowman didn't sign Perry. Perry had more swing than Holloway and Broberg. They're young players with no Arbitration rights of course the Organization is going to try and keep them cheap as possible, for as long as possible. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 20, 2024 14:57:42 GMT -7
He comes with a bad reputation and most did not want him here. The drama he brings is unnecessary. If the lowball offers are true and 39 yr old Perry makes more maybe he could have focused on the kids contracts a bit more. Bump it up a bit, don't try to squeeze them for a million x 2 or 3 years. Too late now.
Don't pay a few guys all the money, be capped strapped to the gills, young players need some coin and opportunity too. Been discussed all summer.
Bowman didn't sign Perry. Perry had more swing than Holloway and Broberg. I'm talking about CP making more than what our young players were offered. You need to leave enough money to sign your young players. This is a management error, SB comes in, 1st priority is Drai, not taking care of the kids. So it's on all of them. I don't think SB is that great of a GM. I'm not accusing him of anything but he comes with baggage and drama that is not needed.
1 million for Broberg/Holloway is a slap in the face. If offers were 1.3-1.5 mil each then maybe they would still be Oilers. But no, squeeze them to death because there's no $. There ya go, vulnerable as can be.
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Post by toley on Aug 20, 2024 15:16:30 GMT -7
Bowman didn't sign Perry. Perry had more swing than Holloway and Broberg. I'm talking about CP making more than what our young players were offered. You need to leave enough money to sign your young players. This is a management error, SB comes in, 1st priority is Drai, not taking care of the kids. So it's on all of them. I don't think SB is that great of a GM. I'm not accusing him of anything but he comes with baggage and drama that is not needed.
1 million for Broberg/Holloway is a slap in the face. If offers were 1.3-1.5 mil each then maybe they would still be Oilers. But no, squeeze them to death because there's no $. There ya go, vulnerable as can be.
Is it a slap in the face for guys that haven't proven anything over an 82 regular season? Perry is a vet, as I can totally see him making a little more than young players. |
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Post by mrtea on Aug 20, 2024 15:47:53 GMT -7
Bowman didn't sign Perry. Perry had more swing than Holloway and Broberg. I'm talking about CP making more than what our young players were offered. You need to leave enough money to sign your young players. This is a management error, SB comes in, 1st priority is Drai, not taking care of the kids. So it's on all of them. I don't think SB is that great of a GM. I'm not accusing him of anything but he comes with baggage and drama that is not needed.
1 million for Broberg/Holloway is a slap in the face. If offers were 1.3-1.5 mil each then maybe they would still be Oilers. But no, squeeze them to death because there's no $. There ya go, vulnerable as can be.
Windsor, you yourself were saying that they should be signed for somewhere around 1.3-1.5 mil to keep the cap cost down. When entering into negotiations, you always start low so that you eventually get to 1.3 -1.5 mil to finalize the deal. If he would have signed them closer to 2 mil everyone would have said they paid too much. Now that we lost them to offersheets, you can't have it both ways.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 20, 2024 16:10:23 GMT -7
He comes with a bad reputation and most did not want him here. The drama he brings is unnecessary. If the lowball offers are true and 39 yr old Perry makes more maybe he could have focused on the kids contracts a bit more. Bump it up a bit, don't try to squeeze them for a million x 2 or 3 years. Too late now.
Don't pay a few guys all the money, be capped strapped to the gills, young players need some coin and opportunity too. Been discussed all summer.
That's why i asked when was the 1.1M tendered to broberg? SB has been in charge less than 2 weeks and this was dumped on him basically a few days after he was hired and Bro's agent said he'd been fielding "offer sheets" for "some time" so i dont see how this could possibly fall on SB's timeline? As for his rep, Armstrong stated clearly he'd have done this to his own mother so KH, Bowman etc?, makes no diff, it was a business decision no more no less. This fiasco was more than a year in the making and the architect of it all is having a good chuckle, sipping his vino overlooking OK lake dreaming of how he'll spend his $25M? KH's tenure may have ended before these OS's came but the biggest burden is on him IMO, not sorting this out a year ago. its all coulda shoulda woulda i know, but ironically, my belief is KH is old school and probably believes in the GM "bro code" of not offer sheeting another team and that's why he probably felt it was no big deal at the time and would not have seen this coming, even if he was still in charge? As for SB and his "rep" coming from the hawks, People are entitled to hold that against him if they want, my anger was/is aimed mostly on the perp who committed the crime. Once Jackson was in the picture we all know Holland's control was limited. Any negotiations that he did where within parameters that he got from Jackson. Doc, you yourself said basically the same thing once Jackson was on the scene. Everyone on this site that has any supposed knowledge of proper cap amounts all predicted contracts somewhere around 1.5 for both of these guys. In Holland's shoes if you want to arrive at a contract value of around 1.5 mil, you will start with an offer of around 1.1 mil as he was probably instructed to do. All this talk of Holland sipping his wine and not caring what happened is to me done in poor taste, Doc. Personally I expected better from you, I know he was not your favorite GM but there is no need for that kind of disrespect. Vent your anger at Jackson, we all know that's who was steering the ship most of the last year.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 20, 2024 16:12:57 GMT -7
Well Holy Shish kabobs Batman!! I got some catching up to do on here I guess, just got home from work. I'm a bit surprised we lost them both tbh but it was never meant to be I suppose. Sure, I'll go with that. I'm ok with it, just tough seeing the youth and wasted development years go to waste. On the flip side, we picked up a couple very much needed picks next year as we were down to only our 6th and 7th round selections lol and with the new young guys aboard in Pods and Emberson I'm feeling ok about it all. That said, our D is lacking now afaic. Say Bouch goes down, then what, our right side is sub-par afaic. Not sure SB is done yet. Nice to be out of cap hell though, for now.
Wild summer in Oilersville!
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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 16:19:12 GMT -7
I'm talking about CP making more than what our young players were offered. You need to leave enough money to sign your young players. This is a management error, SB comes in, 1st priority is Drai, not taking care of the kids. So it's on all of them. I don't think SB is that great of a GM. I'm not accusing him of anything but he comes with baggage and drama that is not needed.
1 million for Broberg/Holloway is a slap in the face. If offers were 1.3-1.5 mil each then maybe they would still be Oilers. But no, squeeze them to death because there's no $. There ya go, vulnerable as can be.
Windsor, you yourself were saying that they should be signed for somewhere around 1.3-1.5 mil to keep the cap cost down. When entering into negotiations, you always start low so that you eventually get to 1.3 -1.5 mil to finalize the deal. If he would have signed them closer to 2 mil everyone would have said they paid too much. Now that we lost them to offersheets, you can't have it both ways. I still dont get how the blame falls on bowman? I understand that you're not a fan Windsor, but this situation was placed in his lap by KH? if you want, you can maybe blame PC cos he left Kh in cap hell, the same way KH has now left SB in cap hell? maybe this was all part of PC's master plan now that he's a part of the STL org??  I've taken a fair few shots at KH during his time here but I also tried to give him the odd kudos when he did something good like EK and hyman. IMO SB handled this as well as could be expected given he had his 2 hands tied behind his back and was fitted with concrete boots. the fact we didnt get totally destroyed and drown in embarrassment and made a complete laughing stock, is because he somehow managed to pick up a few crumbs from this turd pile? If you think Kenny boy would have came out of this better then I have an NHL franchise to sell you in Arizona! 
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I've taken a fair few shots at KH during his time here but I also tried to give him the odd kudos when he did something good like EK and hyman. IMO SB handled this as well as could be expected given he had his 2 hands tied behind his back and was fitted with concrete boots. the fact we didnt get totally destroyed and drown in embarrassment and made a complete laughing stock, is because he somehow managed to pick up a few crumbs from this turd pile? If you think Kenny boy would have came out of this better then I have an NHL franchise to sell you in Arizona! 
