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Post by SuperDave17 on Aug 21, 2024 23:10:21 GMT -7
Kingdom, domain of the monarch.
Fiefdom, domain of a noble like a Baron or a Duke or an Earl.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 22, 2024 6:22:58 GMT -7
Kudos to to the cup winners paying their top guys 10-11% of the cap. Signing young players and paying them the $, letting go of the older players approaching 30 to keep you in contention for years to come. This is the way. 30 yr old players deserve less. Their decline may come sooner than later, if later like in Hyms that's why he is a gem. Eks is a gem, they can fall off quick. No one seems to understand this. Our cupboards are pretty bare, this has been brought up many times. As for those wanting to play with McD/Drai, Edmonton is about the worst destination as foggy has told us again and again. Yes at the end of the day, it is working last and this year as McD/Drai are in their very best prime. Aside from that, wishful thinking. Self centered, yeah so enjoy it while the times are good. Chips go down, them no one comes. Trying to avoid a repeat of 2017 to 2020, sue me. As it is McD 12.5 Drai 8.5, Nurse 9.25, Eks 6. Those are our 4 highest paid players. That's 42% of the cap amongst our 4 highest paid guys. We have a real good chance. There has only been one team winning the cup with 50% of the cap, most are in the 40-44% range. So the time is now. Prospects or not. As is our D is average at best so even with all this in our favor as our top guys are cheap over time, we still have weak holes on our team. It was not enough to see Broberg/Holloway gone to make things work, it was getting away from Ceci to give us some flexibility.
Not sure your age but do you remember the 80s? We didn't pay those guys and they left. Not 4 years of doom, try 20 (ish) Yes I remember the 80's where Pock didn't have any money. Katz has plenty. Also remember the 90's when Graves left as a young player (we didn't have $ for him) and he went on to have a pretty good career. We haven't won a cup since. Similar situation with our young studs this week. Anyways, still irritated. Better to try to lay low and stay quiet. It is what it is. McD/Drai/Bouch will probably be signed for much more than I would like, posted the stats to support where the cup winners were $ wise for the top guys and where we should be at. A fan of the model to pay your core guys when they are young. Not a fan of doing so as they get older. Chances are we won't be able to keep everybody if guys chase the $. That's their right. Result would be our team is not as strong as it could be. As mentioned, want McD to have a crack at it every year. What they do $ wise will be up to them to increase their chances or lessen them.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 22, 2024 6:41:25 GMT -7
This will be our last year as quality contention for a bit. So in a 2 years, top 3 guys signed to huge deals and the team suffers as a result. Yeah too much in the now, not looking forward enough. Not enough players in their prime years. Pay them huge, not enough youth or depth to take the reigns.
It is not out of whack that Eks takes a step back this year at 34. He should be good but does not mean he won't slow down a bit. Just like Henrique. Ryan is cooked, Perry is cooked. Not being negative, just reality. Thought is to bring Barrie to the team since he is familiar with our guys but at 32 he has dropped off already so might not be the best choice. Our team is getting old fast.
You are so upset regarding the top guys getting paid that you are not looking at the complete picture. Hyman, Kulak, Skinner,Henrique, Perry, Ryan,Janmark,Brown(x2), Kane all signed as free agents. When their contracts end others will be signed. Now if you read what the dr. Just wrote, the AHL team will be concentrating on training our draft picks. The sky is not falling. Sorry lol, am trying to look at the complete picture. Those guys signed here with Drai/McD in their absolute prime and because we have a good team. If the projections are correct for our top 3 guys, the picture looks like fringe NHL players to make up the rest of our team. As in 1 million dollar players or less for a few years until the cap catches up. Assuming the cap catches up. As for our drafting, it seems to be better but all the reports show that our prospect pool is way down the list compared to all the other NHL teams. So a team that is getting older and not very much in the pipeline going by all of the scouts/analysts ratings.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 22, 2024 9:44:24 GMT -7
I'm so confused!!! Never watched one episode of Game of Thrones. True story, saving it for when I am older.  I know a thing or two about sword fights and porno though so does that count? I've been featured on film doing both, again, true story. Kidding, or am I!?  Fiefdom. Sounds like a swear. Could be a religion. Perhaps an island, where all our cap problems are solved. Rhymes with Klefbom so I like it. What is Fiefdom, for the win, Alex. strange this topic comes up as I'm about to head to Croatia where most of GOT was filmed? Cant say I've watched much of it myself but have plenty of folks saying "I have to see this and that etc. i just want to chill on their great beaches and drink their awesome wine, but I guess I'll get some photos of moldy buildings at some point 
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 22, 2024 9:54:08 GMT -7
I'm so confused!!! Never watched one episode of Game of Thrones. True story, saving it for when I am older. I know a thing or two about sword fights and porno though so does that count? I've been featured on film doing both, again, true story. Kidding, or am I!? Fiefdom. Sounds like a swear. Could be a religion. Perhaps an island, where all our cap problems are solved. Rhymes with Klefbom so I like it. What is Fiefdom, for the win, Alex. strange this topic comes up as I'm about to head to Croatia where most of GOT was filmed? Cant say I've watched much of it myself but have plenty of folks saying "I have to see this and that etc. i just want to chill on their great beaches and drink their awesome wine, but I guess I'll get some photos of moldy buildings at some point Safe travels Doc, you're all over the place! Enjoy them beaches!
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Post by drtaf on Aug 22, 2024 9:54:11 GMT -7
You are so upset regarding the top guys getting paid that you are not looking at the complete picture. Hyman, Kulak, Skinner,Henrique, Perry, Ryan,Janmark,Brown(x2), Kane all signed as free agents. When their contracts end others will be signed. Now if you read what the dr. Just wrote, the AHL team will be concentrating on training our draft picks. The sky is not falling. Sorry lol, am trying to look at the complete picture. Those guys signed here with Drai/McD in their absolute prime and because we have a good team. If the projections are correct for our top 3 guys, the picture looks like fringe NHL players to make up the rest of our team. As in 1 million dollar players or less for a few years until the cap catches up. Assuming the cap catches up. As for our drafting, it seems to be better but all the reports show that our prospect pool is way down the list compared to all the other NHL teams. So a team that is getting older and not very much in the pipeline going by all of the scouts/analysts ratings. your theory isnt necessarily wrong Windsor, it's just a bit late? We probably should've wrapped Bouch up to long term a while ago and similarly Nurse, but we've been fighting cap hell for what seems like a decade? Drai perfect example of wrapping a young stud up early and paying off big time, but there were tons of detractors at the time as well. i like what NJ and Buffalo are doing but there are no guarantees they'll eventually work out and by time they do their stars may be ready for their next contracts too, just like Drai and bouch are now? i keep saying reality, but its also the truth, the guys you keep mentioning will not take a 50% pay cut here, fLA or anywhere? they have a very limited time to cash in and so they will. Our model is now looking more and more like the Pittsburgh model where they've kept selling their future to squeeze out as many years of window with Crosby and Malkin as possible, but the "end is nigh" for them and it will be for us in 4-5 years time no doubt. The only diff is, they won cups in their prime because they had competent management. so far we've wasted too many years of primetime McDrai and so we'll be lucky to get 4-5 more years. i just hope we get 1 cup out of it. anything more would be absolute gravy, but i'm going to try and enjoy these next 4-5 yrs as much as possible because the crash will come eventually, just like it is for Pittsburgh
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Post by drtaf on Aug 22, 2024 9:56:06 GMT -7
strange this topic comes up as I'm about to head to Croatia where most of GOT was filmed? Cant say I've watched much of it myself but have plenty of folks saying "I have to see this and that etc. i just want to chill on their great beaches and drink their awesome wine, but I guess I'll get some photos of moldy buildings at some point Safe travels Doc, you're all over the place! Enjoy them beaches! I hear they have really good beer too!! the highlight though is that my Boy and I are going to the dutch grand prix at Zandvoort this weekend. now that's going to be a party!! You'll all be excited to know i probably wont be posting much over next few weeks LOL!!
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 25, 2024 13:13:18 GMT -7
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Post by SuperDave17 on Aug 25, 2024 13:19:08 GMT -7
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 25, 2024 14:23:01 GMT -7
Drai and McD are both going to accept 11 mil contracts each, Bouch 9 ish. Don't worry if there is no news, everything will be fine 
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Post by toley on Aug 25, 2024 14:37:14 GMT -7
Drai and McD are both going to accept 11 mil contracts each, Bouch 9 ish. Don't worry if there is no news, everything will be fine I think that's probably right on Bouchard, but wrong of McDavid to take a pay cut. I'm interested to see where McDavid land in AAV. And what's the assumption that the cap isn't over 100 Million in 3 years? |
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Post by mrtea on Aug 25, 2024 14:59:06 GMT -7
Drai and McD are both going to accept 11 mil contracts each, Bouch 9 ish. Don't worry if there is no news, everything will be fine Windsor, I understand your reasoning behind this, but you are setting yourself up for a massive disappointment. If Draisaitl settles for the 12 mil ballpark, that would be a huge hometown discount from everything we are hearing. Bouchard will be next and getting him under 10 mil will be considered a win for the Oilers. Lastly McDavid will be next year and no way will he take a pay cut, nor would I expect him to. McDavid will have a raise over his present salary and I'd be surprised if we could get him as low as 13 mil. I expect mcDavid to be in the 14 mil area and that would be a hometown discount.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 25, 2024 15:04:35 GMT -7
Drai and McD are both going to accept 11 mil contracts each, Bouch 9 ish. Don't worry if there is no news, everything will be fine Windsor, I understand your reasoning behind this, but you are setting yourself up for a massive disappointment. If Draisaitl settles for the 12 mil ballpark, that would be a huge hometown discount from everything we are hearing. Bouchard will be next and getting him under 10 mil will be considered a win for the Oilers. Lastly McDavid will be next year and no way will he take a pay cut, nor would I expect him to. McDavid will have a raise over his present salary and I'd be surprised if we could get him as low as 13 mil. I expect mcDavid to be in the 14 mil area and that would be a hometown discount. HH said it was too quiet. So ruffling some feathers and also believe this is what is best. Skinner went from 9 mil to 3, expect the same from our guys. 
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Post by mrtea on Aug 25, 2024 15:16:26 GMT -7
Windsor, I understand your reasoning behind this, but you are setting yourself up for a massive disappointment. If Draisaitl settles for the 12 mil ballpark, that would be a huge hometown discount from everything we are hearing. Bouchard will be next and getting him under 10 mil will be considered a win for the Oilers. Lastly McDavid will be next year and no way will he take a pay cut, nor would I expect him to. McDavid will have a raise over his present salary and I'd be surprised if we could get him as low as 13 mil. I expect mcDavid to be in the 14 mil area and that would be a hometown discount. HH said it was too quiet. So ruffling some feathers and also believe this is what is best. Skinner went from 9 mil to 3, expect the same from our guys. No offense to Skinner, but Draisaitl and especially mcDavid are on a different level and there really is no comparison there. McDavid and Draisaitl are the main ingredients to the recipe, Skinner is like a garnish on top that makes it even better.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 25, 2024 15:43:43 GMT -7
HH said it was too quiet. So ruffling some feathers and also believe this is what is best. Skinner went from 9 mil to 3, expect the same from our guys. No offense to Skinner, but Draisaitl and especially mcDavid are on a different level and there really is no comparison there. McDavid and Draisaitl are the main ingredients to the recipe, Skinner is like a garnish on top that makes it even better. McD and Drai come 34 or older may become the garnish too. So what do we do.......................................
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Post by mrtea on Aug 25, 2024 15:51:51 GMT -7
No offense to Skinner, but Draisaitl and especially mcDavid are on a different level and there really is no comparison there. McDavid and Draisaitl are the main ingredients to the recipe, Skinner is like a garnish on top that makes it even better. McD and Drai come 34 or older may become the garnish too. So what do we do....................................... Simple, we pay them and deal with what comes later when the time comes. At that time we probably want to add more than garnish. We'll do what our salary cap situation says we can do.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 25, 2024 16:14:49 GMT -7
McD and Drai come 34 or older may become the garnish too. So what do we do....................................... Simple, we pay them and deal with what comes later when the time comes. At that time we probably want to add more than garnish. We'll do what our salary cap situation says we can do. Um no, with a low prospect pool and not much for draft picks you address it now. You think we were attacked for no reason, by chance, there is PURPOSE to it. Two other teams wanted to do the same apparently. Please go ahead to the pay your old team which can do damage this year (which is fine as long as you take care of the youth) and paying top players the max contracts model going forward. Deal with it later is not a solution. As posted on a controversial board where anything Oilers goes no matter what without common sense. All of the players are the cream of the crop and in the highest regard. Stamkos cheaper this year, Tampa lost their franchise player but he is less not more at 34. Hi. Kane, the best of the best, now 35 has gone from 10.5 to 2.4 and 4 million. Keith, our buddy declined at 34-35 and was just not the same after that. Still good but there is less in the tank. Chara same, Pavelski, same. All elite players. So just go with it, worry later is BS.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 25, 2024 16:51:15 GMT -7
Skinner is parsley
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Post by mrtea on Aug 25, 2024 16:55:51 GMT -7
Simple, we pay them and deal with what comes later when the time comes. At that time we probably want to add more than garnish. We'll do what our salary cap situation says we can do. Um no, with a low prospect pool and not much for draft picks you address it now. You think we were attacked for no reason, by chance, there is PURPOSE to it. Two other teams wanted to do the same apparently. Please go ahead to the pay your old team which can do damage this year (which is fine as long as you take care of the youth) and paying top players the max contracts model going forward. Deal with it later is not a solution. As posted on a controversial board where anything Oilers goes no matter what without common sense. All of the players are the cream of the crop and in the highest regard. Stamkos cheaper this year, Tampa lost their franchise player but he is less not more at 34. Hi. Kane, the best of the best, now 35 has gone from 10.5 to 2.4 and 4 million. Keith, our buddy declined at 34-35 and was just not the same after that. Still good but there is less in the tank. Chara same, Pavelski, same. All elite players. So just go with it, worry later is BS. You play the hand you were dealt, so I'll see your B.S. and raise you S.B., it's his job to do. Maybe he can stack the deck.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 25, 2024 17:41:11 GMT -7
Um no, with a low prospect pool and not much for draft picks you address it now. You think we were attacked for no reason, by chance, there is PURPOSE to it. Two other teams wanted to do the same apparently. Please go ahead to the pay your old team which can do damage this year (which is fine as long as you take care of the youth) and paying top players the max contracts model going forward. Deal with it later is not a solution. As posted on a controversial board where anything Oilers goes no matter what without common sense. All of the players are the cream of the crop and in the highest regard. Stamkos cheaper this year, Tampa lost their franchise player but he is less not more at 34. Hi. Kane, the best of the best, now 35 has gone from 10.5 to 2.4 and 4 million. Keith, our buddy declined at 34-35 and was just not the same after that. Still good but there is less in the tank. Chara same, Pavelski, same. All elite players. So just go with it, worry later is BS. You play the hand you were dealt, so I'll see your B.S. and raise you S.B., it's his job to do. Maybe he can stack the deck. Yep, I think best case scenario, not that I want to beat this dead horse any longer but nothing else to discuss lol would be: Bouchard at 9.25, If I'm his agent pretty easy to just point at Nurse and say Evan will accept no less. Leon at 12.5-13, that puts him just below Matthews. McD at 14.5-15, he's the best player in the world, period. Honestly I think hoping for anything less is a pipe dream, and these 3 #s are about as good as value as you are gonna get for the trio, imo.
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