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Post by igibb on Aug 30, 2024 10:32:32 GMT -7
hahahahaaaa...Mission accomplished. Skinner taking the ol' Kucherov Discount!! Lol, you know you like it. This year it is the Reinhart contract at 8.6, Stammer getting less once you hit 34, our very own Perry aside from Chicago playing for league minimum or 1 mil the past few years after 33-34, both franchise or top star players. I agree pay Drai 14 while in his prime, at 38 to pay him 14 when there is a decline is absurd. Which is why 11.4 was thrown on the table. Maybe Drai will do a 4-5 year deal. If a max term deal you need to give the club some protection. But no one looks at this. We are not signing Drai (or McD) at 25-26 years old here. As their contracts kick in they will be 30 so let's mix it up. Paying too much for your top 3-4 guys as the bulk of them increase in age especially, detrimental to your team if you want to win cups. Sharpie seems to agree. You cannot and should not pay 50% of your cap to 4 guys. In our case it's over that. Only one team has won a cup in forever using this model. So as we go all in and try to win cups, this seems to be the goal. Then you need to leave some meat on the table for others. Not just rice noodles. If our guys go for the max money, bring back the Haas and Rattie type players. This is what is going to happen. The part you don't seem to get is if you don't sign Drai then in two years you watch McDavid walk out the door as well and then we become the barren wasteland that no one wants to go to again. The only thing that is keeping either of them around is the ability to play together. Both of their significant others have careers that are better served elsewhere, neither are from the area and both could easily sign for teams that are contenders individually. There would be nothing to keep either here if it wasn't for playing with each other. So you either pay them both and hope you can cobble a team together around them that can win but that will almost guaranteed at least be competitive every year or your watch them both walk and struggle to attract good enough players to hopefully scratch your way into the playoffs every year.
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Post by toley on Aug 30, 2024 11:14:07 GMT -7
hahahahaaaa...Mission accomplished. Skinner taking the ol' Kucherov Discount!!Ā Lol, you know you like it. This year it is the Reinhart contract at 8.6, Stammer getting less once you hit 34, our very own Perry aside from Chicago playing for league minimum or 1 mil the past few years after 33-34, both franchise or top star players. I agree pay Drai 14 while in his prime, at 38 to pay him 14 when there is a decline is absurd. Which is why 11.4 was thrown on the table. Maybe Drai will do a 4-5 year deal. If a max term deal you need to give the club some protection. But no one looks at this. We are not signing Drai (or McD) at 25-26 years old here. As their contracts kick in they will be 30 so let's mix it up. Paying too much for your top 3-4 guys as the bulk of them increase in age especially, detrimental to your team if you want to win cups. Sharpie seems to agree. You cannot and should not pay 50% of your cap to 4 guys. In our case it's over that. Only one team has won a cup in forever using this model. So as we go all in and try to win cups, this seems to be the goal. Then you need to leave some meat on the table for others. Not just rice noodles. If our guys go for the max money, bring back the Haas and Rattie type players. This is what is going to happen. You pay the big guys, no questions. They are the reason the Oilers are here. Henrique, Skinner, Brown took less to come here or stay, they win they can also attract others. It's the Crosby and Malkin model. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 30, 2024 11:29:19 GMT -7
Lol, you know you like it. This year it is the Reinhart contract at 8.6, Stammer getting less once you hit 34, our very own Perry aside from Chicago playing for league minimum or 1 mil the past few years after 33-34, both franchise or top star players. I agree pay Drai 14 while in his prime, at 38 to pay him 14 when there is a decline is absurd. Which is why 11.4 was thrown on the table. Maybe Drai will do a 4-5 year deal. If a max term deal you need to give the club some protection. But no one looks at this. We are not signing Drai (or McD) at 25-26 years old here. As their contracts kick in they will be 30 so let's mix it up. Paying too much for your top 3-4 guys as the bulk of them increase in age especially, detrimental to your team if you want to win cups. Sharpie seems to agree. You cannot and should not pay 50% of your cap to 4 guys. In our case it's over that. Only one team has won a cup in forever using this model. So as we go all in and try to win cups, this seems to be the goal. Then you need to leave some meat on the table for others. Not just rice noodles. If our guys go for the max money, bring back the Haas and Rattie type players. This is what is going to happen. The part you don't seem to get is if you don't sign Drai then in two years you watch McDavid walk out the door as well and then we become the barren wasteland that no one wants to go to again. The only thing that is keeping either of them around is the ability to play together. Both of their significant others have careers that are better served elsewhere, neither are from the area and both could easily sign for teams that are contenders individually. There would be nothing to keep either here if it wasn't for playing with each other. So you either pay them both and hope you can cobble a team together around them that can win but that will almost guaranteed at least be competitive every year or your watch them both walk and struggle to attract good enough players to hopefully scratch your way into the playoffs every year. I get it, that's the fear. Lose Drai, you lose McD. No one wants a decade of darkness but this can be brought to light again this time around again as fans/management have fears. Losing the window by your own demise. If teams/players are highly paid and in contention, every team loses players. If you want to keep them all, especially as they get older concessions should be made. Will always be a big Oilers fan but this is huge for the franchise. I don't want to cobble a team together during the McD era. This is the sole reason for all these opinions and debates from my part. Teams that pay close or above 50% of their cap to 4 players do not compete when it matters the most (except one time). And that's just the way it is. I don't like it, no one else does but it is fact. Yes we do have a few promising prospects but as a whole we are close to the bottom in terms of prospect pools. Can there be surprises sure. The stat above is the big one. Want everyone to stay, we work in a cap era so for everything to continue to work then you don't go for max $ on the open market and consider that as your value. The team is your value. Many players will choose to do the opposite, team suffers as a result.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 30, 2024 11:30:39 GMT -7
The Oilers are blessed with the rare gift of having two of the best, if not the two best players in the world. They need to be payed salaries that reflect those facts. We the fans are lucky that Draisaitl and McDavid like playing together and like playing in Edmonton. It is not their fault if Oilers are up against the cap. If they resign in Edmonton along with Bouchard, it will mean that the core of the team is locked up for years to come. By the time we look at resigning other contracts the cap will have gone up quite a bit and our big contracts will not look so huge.
After we resign McDavid it will only take 2-3 years before there will be larger contracts out there making Leon and Conner's contracts look like bargains. So when they are declining it will not seem as bad as it looks from our perspective now.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 30, 2024 11:37:06 GMT -7
The part you don't seem to get is if you don't sign Drai then in two years you watch McDavid walk out the door as well and then we become the barren wasteland that no one wants to go to again. The only thing that is keeping either of them around is the ability to play together. Both of their significant others have careers that are better served elsewhere, neither are from the area and both could easily sign for teams that are contenders individually. There would be nothing to keep either here if it wasn't for playing with each other. So you either pay them both and hope you can cobble a team together around them that can win but that will almost guaranteed at least be competitive every year or your watch them both walk and struggle to attract good enough players to hopefully scratch your way into the playoffs every year. I get it, that's the fear. Lose Drai, you lose McD. No one wants a decade of darkness but this can be brought to light again this time around again as fans/management have fears. Losing the window by your own demise. If teams/players are highly paid and in contention, every team loses players. If you want to keep them all, especially as they get older concessions should be made. Will always be a big Oilers fan but this is huge for the franchise. I don't want to cobble a team together during the McD era. This is the sole reason for all these opinions and debates from my part. Teams that pay close or above 50% of their cap to 4 players do not compete when it matters the most (except one time). And that's just the way it is. I don't like it, no one else does but it is fact. Yes we do have a few promising prospects but as a whole we are close to the bottom in terms of prospect pools. Can there be surprises sure. The stat above is the big one. Want everyone to stay, we work in a cap era so for everything to continue to work then you don't go for max $ on the open market and consider that as your value. The team is your value. Many players will choose to do the opposite, team suffers as a result. The point you seem to be missing is that if we don't pay them the big contracts, then we loose them. When loose them, there is no McD era anymore. When they leave so do all of our bargain contracts.
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Post by yuke on Aug 30, 2024 12:45:12 GMT -7
So next year Bouchard (RFA), Draisaitl, Brown, Ryan, J. Skinner and Perry contracts are up
Following year S.Skinner, Kane, Eckholm, Kulak, Henrique, Arvi, and Pickard are UFAs along with McD.
Future cupboards look thin.
Without some Bowman magic, this team will be struggling to get to the 2nd round in 3 years. I just don't see how you can attract UFAs on the cheap if our top guys are 10/14/16 million and the team is a long shot to win.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 30, 2024 13:34:36 GMT -7
So next year Bouchard (RFA), Draisaitl, Brown, Ryan, J. Skinner and Perry contracts are up Following year S.Skinner, Kane, Eckholm, Kulak, Henrique, Arvi, and Pickard are UFAs along with McD. Future cupboards look thin. Without some Bowman magic, this team will be struggling to get to the 2nd round in 3 years. I just don't see how you can attract UFAs on the cheap if our top guys are 10/14/16 million and the team is a long shot to win. We are between a rock and a hard place, I agree. There are a lot of teams that would love to have our problems. Pay the big bucks and keep our stars, or let them walk and watch as no one will want to sign in Edmonton anymore. I say pay the big bucks, keep our stars and then do the best we can each year. We will lose some players, but we will probably attract others looking to raise their point totals before upcoming contract years. We'll be okay for the first 4-5 years and then we'll decline. I'd rather do that instead of gutting the team before we we have to and struggle along like the dark years we just got through. I want to enjoy a few years in the sun and watch a legend age. Don't forget how much of a blessing it is to watch two of the best players in the world play every night the Oilers play.
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Post by yuke on Aug 30, 2024 14:32:19 GMT -7
So next year Bouchard (RFA), Draisaitl, Brown, Ryan, J. Skinner and Perry contracts are up Following year S.Skinner, Kane, Eckholm, Kulak, Henrique, Arvi, and Pickard are UFAs along with McD. Future cupboards look thin. Without some Bowman magic, this team will be struggling to get to the 2nd round in 3 years. I just don't see how you can attract UFAs on the cheap if our top guys are 10/14/16 million and the team is a long shot to win. We are between a rock and a hard place, I agree. There are a lot of teams that would love to have our problems.Ā Pay the big bucks and keep our stars, or let them walk and watch as no one will want to sign inĀ Edmonton anymore. I say pay the big bucks, keep our stars and then do the best we can each year. We will lose some players, but we will probably attract others looking to raise their point totals before upcoming contract years. We'll be okay for the first 4-5 years and then we'll decline. I'd rather do that instead of gutting the team before we we have to and struggle along like the dark years we just got through. I want to enjoy a few years in the sun and watch a legend age. Don't forget how much of a blessing it is to watch two of the best players in the world play every night the Oilers play. I'm not that sure CM will leave if Leon goes. If the team is winning and has a future, why leave? His wife's dream house is here. Is it worth the gamble, NO but I'm confident JJ was brought in because he knows exactly what CM wants. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 30, 2024 16:08:53 GMT -7
So next year Bouchard (RFA), Draisaitl, Brown, Ryan, J. Skinner and Perry contracts are up Following year S.Skinner, Kane, Eckholm, Kulak, Henrique, Arvi, and Pickard are UFAs along with McD. Future cupboards look thin. Without some Bowman magic, this team will be struggling to get to the 2nd round in 3 years. I just don't see how you can attract UFAs on the cheap if our top guys are 10/14/16 million and the team is a long shot to win. We are between a rock and a hard place, I agree. There are a lot of teams that would love to have our problems. Pay the big bucks and keep our stars, or let them walk and watch as no one will want to sign in Edmonton anymore. I say pay the big bucks, keep our stars and then do the best we can each year. We will lose some players, but we will probably attract others looking to raise their point totals before upcoming contract years. We'll be okay for the first 4-5 years and then we'll decline. I'd rather do that instead of gutting the team before we we have to and struggle along like the dark years we just got through. I want to enjoy a few years in the sun and watch a legend age. Don't forget how much of a blessing it is to watch two of the best players in the world play every night the Oilers play. There's alot of teams that would love to have our problem... until the good times stop rolling as we become old. Which way is our stairway to heaven? There's usually two paths but in our case there is three. Enjoy or not one of the best songs ever. Which way we go, will determine our future and chances at cups. There is more to it than the MCd era. No one wants to sacrifice our best players, I get it, but which is the best path? As beautiful as it may be, there is not much chance you can just to buy your stairway to heaven.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 30, 2024 16:19:57 GMT -7
We are between a rock and a hard place, I agree. There are a lot of teams that would love to have our problems. Pay the big bucks and keep our stars, or let them walk and watch as no one will want to sign in Edmonton anymore. I say pay the big bucks, keep our stars and then do the best we can each year. We will lose some players, but we will probably attract others looking to raise their point totals before upcoming contract years. We'll be okay for the first 4-5 years and then we'll decline. I'd rather do that instead of gutting the team before we we have to and struggle along like the dark years we just got through. I want to enjoy a few years in the sun and watch a legend age. Don't forget how much of a blessing it is to watch two of the best players in the world play every night the Oilers play. There's alot of teams that would love to have our problem... until the good times stop rolling as we become old. Which way is our stairway to heaven? There's usually two paths but in our case there is three. Enjoy or not one of the best songs ever. Which way we go, will determine our future and chances at cups. There is more to it than the MCd era. No one wants to sacrifice our best players, I get it, but which is the best path? As beautiful as it may be, there is not much chance you can just to buy your stairway to heaven. Be as good as possible for as long as possible, and then get as bad as possible as quickly as possible. The challenge is being honest about when to flip the switch.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 30, 2024 22:40:06 GMT -7
We are between a rock and a hard place, I agree. There are a lot of teams that would love to have our problems. Pay the big bucks and keep our stars, or let them walk and watch as no one will want to sign in Edmonton anymore. I say pay the big bucks, keep our stars and then do the best we can each year. We will lose some players, but we will probably attract others looking to raise their point totals before upcoming contract years. We'll be okay for the first 4-5 years and then we'll decline. I'd rather do that instead of gutting the team before we we have to and struggle along like the dark years we just got through. I want to enjoy a few years in the sun and watch a legend age. Don't forget how much of a blessing it is to watch two of the best players in the world play every night the Oilers play. I'm not that sure CM will leave if Leon goes. If the team is winning and has a future, why leave? His wife's dream house is here. Is it worth the gamble, NO but I'm confident JJ was brought in because he knows exactly what CM wants. It's a risk I'd rather not gamble on, because it's a huge risk. More often than not betting on huge risks leads to huge losses. While we have the opportunity to keep them, I say we do everything we can to keep them. JJ is not a mind reader, and McDavid is a grown man and might just decide to change his mind if for "some reason" he feels like changing his mind. Draisaitl leaving might just qualify as "some reason" to change his mind. Also you just don't go out and easily replace Draisaitl, it's doubtful he can be replaced at all and certainly not easily. Do the people that say we can't afford Draisaitl realize just how lucky we are to have him in the first place? That would be like saying "We can't afford to fix the home furnace because we will have to use the credit card to pay for it" when it's predicted that it will be one of the coldest winters ever recorded. No one wants to have to use the credit card, but if it means keeping your family safe and warm, you use it.
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Post by toley on Aug 31, 2024 7:55:02 GMT -7
I'm not that sure CM will leave if Leon goes. If the team is winning and has a future, why leave? His wife's dream house is here. Is it worth the gamble, NO but I'm confident JJ was brought in because he knows exactly what CM wants. It's a risk I'd rather not gamble on, because it's a huge risk. More often than not betting on huge risks leads to huge losses. While we have the opportunity to keep them, I say we do everything we can to keep them. JJ is not a mind reader, and McDavid is a grown man and might just decide to change his mind if for "some reason" he feels like changing his mind. Draisaitl leaving might just qualify as "some reason" to change his mind. Also you just don't go out and easily replace Draisaitl, it's doubtful he can be replaced at all and certainly not easily. Do the people that say we can't afford Draisaitl realize just how lucky we are to have him in the first place? That would be like saying "We can't afford to fix the home furnace because we will have to use the credit card to pay for it" when it's predicted that it will be one of the coldest winters ever recorded. No one wants to have to use the credit card, but if it means keeping your family safe and warm, you use it. Just commenting on the hypothetical, cause I believe Draisaitl isn't leaving. But say as Draisaitl does take his talents elsewhere to be "the guy" on another team, he would most likely tell McDavid his reasoning. McDavid on the other would probably still re-sign here, like was said Jackson was brought in strategically in order to keep McDavid in Edmonton, Jackson brings in another guy, in order to keep McDavid with Knoblauch. The organization will do anything and everything to keep McDavid. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 31, 2024 8:22:00 GMT -7
Lots of unknowns, do like Foggy's honest take. Think the tune I posted was about the best you can find whether you want to chill out or rock out. One of the greatest songs ever, hits all the right notes, touches all of the elements. Just spectacularly done. In every way. The "lady" is the Oilers and we are climbing the stairway.
With that said I love Heart, they are awesome and are super hot or at least use to be. There is one element missing and if someone can please tell me what element that is... If I was to post it anywhere on the net, would get shot down real quick. But the fact remains it is what it is. Things don't go up and last forever and there are consequences to the team's actions. The lady that is actually singing, time catches up. I'm sure most can guess on the missing element without me spelling it out.
Hope our window lasts for a long time and these contracts will dictate a big part of our future. Hope we stay "hot" for years to come.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 3, 2024 7:40:02 GMT -7
Drai 14 mil 8 years
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Post by sharptooth on Sept 3, 2024 7:40:50 GMT -7
Not confirmed yet from what I have seen |
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Post by sharptooth on Sept 3, 2024 7:41:52 GMT -7
Just seen maybe it is confirmed now. |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 3, 2024 7:42:49 GMT -7
Leon for Life, WooHoo!!  |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 3, 2024 7:47:57 GMT -7
Just seen maybe it is confirmed now. It is, happy to have him for 8 years, not the $.
It appears over 50% of our cap will goto 4 players. Always going to be a fan but only one team in history has won with this model. IMO he went for the $.
You don't see Perry making his 8.5 mil anymore, lots of league minimum deals after 35 and 1 mil to play here. Is Drai worth 14 now and for half his contract, sure. Not team friendly at all. Is what it is. The > 50% model for the top guys is not the model for success. Our window is 2 years, once McD kicks in we will have no choice but to surround our team with fringe players as our top guys get older.
Anyways, happy to have him here. However our window to win has been shortened big time.
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Post by drtaf on Sept 3, 2024 8:10:59 GMT -7
Just seen maybe it is confirmed now. It is, happy to have him for 8 years, not the $.
It appears over 50% of our cap will goto 4 players. Always going to be a fan but only one team in history has won with this model. IMO he went for the $.
You don't see Perry making his 8.5 mil anymore, lots of league minimum deals after 35 and 1 mil to play here. Is Drai worth 14 now and for half his contract, sure. Not team friendly at all. Is what it is. The > 50% model for the top guys is not the model for success. Our window is 2 years, once McD kicks in we will have no choice but to surround our team with fringe players as our top guys get older.
Anyways, happy to have him here. However our window to win has been shortened big time.
I say at least the window is still openš¤·āāļø If heād left or got traded my felling is the window closes immediately given that the oilers would have to have traded him before season starts realistically in the ātrade modelā. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 3, 2024 8:14:43 GMT -7
$200k more than I thought, but close enough!!
The Neon Era continues in Oiltown!! LFG.
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