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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 4, 2024 6:57:53 GMT -7
Windsor top vacuum GM in the league. Kucherov discounts for life. Care to win for as long as possible. With this contract and McD's, there a chance we have to say bye bye to Bouch to make it all work. We'll see. OIler fans are thrilled as we rarely get a star player to sign for life here, no matter the cost. I get it. Drai said himself there was not much negotiation. Biggest contract in the league and SB does a zoom call. Drai is in Edmonton, not sure why SB can't be there, instead he stays in Chicago. Can't even have a proper press conference when a star player signs a huge deal. You've had the same gripes with every contract from.every gm. It's not them. It's you not coping well with reality. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 7:14:52 GMT -7
Care to win for as long as possible. With this contract and McD's, there a chance we have to say bye bye to Bouch to make it all work. We'll see. OIler fans are thrilled as we rarely get a star player to sign for life here, no matter the cost. I get it. Drai said himself there was not much negotiation. Biggest contract in the league and SB does a zoom call. Drai is in Edmonton, not sure why SB can't be there, instead he stays in Chicago. Can't even have a proper press conference when a star player signs a huge deal. You've had the same gripes with every contract from.every gm. It's not them. It's you not coping well with reality. Reality is we will have 40-50% of the cap leftover for 18 players. Welcome back soon enough players like Kahun, Reider, etc. Let's enjoy it for now, in a couple years reality will hit. If you guys are fine with that, cool. SB himself said it's going to be a challenge to make it work, his words. Bouch signs, even more of a challenge, McD signs even more of a challenge. What I am not coping well with is our window is now, not happy that the window won't be extended if all the contracts come in where they are projected to.
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 7:33:38 GMT -7
You've had the same gripes with every contract from.every gm. It's not them. It's you not coping well with reality. Reality is we will have 40-50% of the cap leftover for 18 players. Welcome back soon enough players like Kahun, Reider, etc. Let's enjoy it for now, in a couple years reality will hit. If you guys are fine with that, cool. SB himself said it's going to be a challenge to make it work, his words. Bouch signs, even more of a challenge, McD signs even more of a challenge. What I am not coping well with is our window is now, not happy that the window won't be extended if all the contracts come in where they are projected to. I am probably going to regret this but how would you have handled this differently? This is with Leon saying 14 million or nothing. Knowing that McD is best friends with Leon and their girls are best friends. Be realistic. If you are trading him, to who and the return.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 7:44:28 GMT -7
Reality is we will have 40-50% of the cap leftover for 18 players. Welcome back soon enough players like Kahun, Reider, etc. Let's enjoy it for now, in a couple years reality will hit. If you guys are fine with that, cool. SB himself said it's going to be a challenge to make it work, his words. Bouch signs, even more of a challenge, McD signs even more of a challenge. What I am not coping well with is our window is now, not happy that the window won't be extended if all the contracts come in where they are projected to. I am probably going to regret this but how would you have handled this differently? This is with Leon saying 14 million or nothing. Knowing that McD is best friends with Leon and their girls are best friends. Be realistic. If you are trading him, to who and the return. Tough to dig deep, we know what PLD got the Jets, Drai would bring more. No use digging, when he is signed. I just said it above. Maybe SB goes to Bouch and says we have to pay Drai/McD this much and we either have to bridge you again, we want to sign you long term but there is not enough $ to keep everybody. Maybe we have no choice but to trade him or go the cheaper bridge route. One scenario. Kane will probably be gone after next year and replaced by a cheap player, this would take care of most of Drai's raise. Not sure about Bouch, we don't know the numbers yet.
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 8:08:49 GMT -7
I am probably going to regret this but how would you have handled this differently? This is with Leon saying 14 million or nothing. Knowing that McD is best friends with Leon and their girls are best friends. Be realistic. If you are trading him, to who and the return. Tough to dig deep, we know what PLD got the Jets, Drai would bring more. No use digging, when he is signed. I just said it above. Maybe SB goes to Bouch and says we have to pay Drai/McD this much and we either have to bridge you again, we want to sign you long term but there is not enough $ to keep everybody. Maybe we have no choice but to trade him or go the cheaper bridge route. One scenario. Kane will probably be gone after next year and replaced by a cheap player, this would take care of most of Drai's raise. Not sure about Bouch, we don't know the numbers yet. I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 4, 2024 9:17:56 GMT -7
I've heard there will be no Captain's skates this year. Makes sense as we had a long playoff run and a short summer. Nevertheless it looks like some of the boyz are getting in some early reps together anyway. x.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1831084502061637676Two weeks till camp starts, yeehaw! |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 11:18:14 GMT -7
Tough to dig deep, we know what PLD got the Jets, Drai would bring more. No use digging, when he is signed. I just said it above. Maybe SB goes to Bouch and says we have to pay Drai/McD this much and we either have to bridge you again, we want to sign you long term but there is not enough $ to keep everybody. Maybe we have no choice but to trade him or go the cheaper bridge route. One scenario. Kane will probably be gone after next year and replaced by a cheap player, this would take care of most of Drai's raise. Not sure about Bouch, we don't know the numbers yet. I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. Have very little faith in SB. His dad was great, don't think he is. That's pure blasphemy lol. I agree on the logic but no one would accept that. Bouch puts up points so he has high value. Nurse needs someone that can compliment him, past two years at least he is not carrying that pairing, yet he is making the $. Drai would get 20-30% less points if he wasn't playing with McD or that group of 5 on the PP. His pay should reflect that. Clearly in terms of his pay it doesn't work like that as we have just seen. He's top 5 in points and no matter how he gets those points, whether production inflated or not he gets paid nonetheless. The later years of his deal, age doesn't seem to matter either. Yep it's a business. There was a show on the Leafs and as long as the money keeps coming in and the team is good enough to keep the fans happy, all that matters. Revenues 1st, winning 2nd was the theme of the show. So yep makes sense to keep McD/Drai no matter what, revenues 1st, keep the fans happy, sounds like the same model to me. WE can win right now and maybe next year before McD $ kicks in. We are at 41-42% of the cap to our top 4 guys this coming year, there's not going to be a better chance to try and go all the way.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 4, 2024 11:49:35 GMT -7
Tough to dig deep, we know what PLD got the Jets, Drai would bring more. No use digging, when he is signed. I just said it above. Maybe SB goes to Bouch and says we have to pay Drai/McD this much and we either have to bridge you again, we want to sign you long term but there is not enough $ to keep everybody. Maybe we have no choice but to trade him or go the cheaper bridge route. One scenario. Kane will probably be gone after next year and replaced by a cheap player, this would take care of most of Drai's raise. Not sure about Bouch, we don't know the numbers yet. I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA?
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Post by igibb on Sept 4, 2024 11:53:57 GMT -7
I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. Drai would get 20-30% less points if he wasn't playing with McD or that group of 5 on the PP. He's top 5 in points and no matter how he gets those points, whether production inflated or not he gets paid nonetheless. I wish people would stop with this nonsense. Guess what McDavid would have fewer points if Drai wasn't on the team and that group of 5 wasn't on the PP as well. So would Bouch. And Drai isn't top 5 in points he is number 2 or number 1 in almost every category since signing his contract. Points: 713 (2nd) Goals: 297 (2nd) PPG: 130 (1st) GWG: 53 (4th) In the last 3 Playoff seasons Leon ranks: Points: 81 (2nd) Goals: 30 (T-1st) Assists: 51 (2nd) PPG: 15 (1st)
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 11:56:34 GMT -7
I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA?  15 x 7 = 105 million, |
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Post by igibb on Sept 4, 2024 12:02:59 GMT -7
You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA? 15 x 7 = 105 million, I bet it would be more than that. I bet he would get pretty much the same money he got from us over 7 years so closer to $16 per season. If our max offer was $13m per season for 8 why would he leave for $1M more? Windsors $11-12M are laughable so I don't even factor those into the equation.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 12:13:35 GMT -7
Drai would get 20-30% less points if he wasn't playing with McD or that group of 5 on the PP. He's top 5 in points and no matter how he gets those points, whether production inflated or not he gets paid nonetheless. I wish people would stop with this nonsense. Guess what McDavid would have fewer points if Drai wasn't on the team and that group of 5 wasn't on the PP as well. So would Bouch. And Drai isn't top 5 in points he is number 2 or number 1 in almost every category since signing his contract. Points: 713 (2nd) Goals: 297 (2nd) PPG: 130 (1st) GWG: 53 (4th) In the last 3 Playoff seasons Leon ranks: Points: 81 (2nd) Goals: 30 (T-1st) Assists: 51 (2nd) PPG: 15 (1st) Maybe I was unclear. You said Bouch's pay should reflect that he is 1st pairing and the main guy. He gets plenty of points, so he will get paid anyways. Did not try to get into specifics on Drai. It's pointless to nitpick.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 12:24:56 GMT -7
I was hoping for a trade proposal. 14 million is high but I will trust what JJ and SB see what the future cap will be and they know what needs to be done. Remember, this is a business. The amount LD and CM bring Katz in merchandise sales must be huge. Bouchard needs to play with someone besides Eckholm to see if he can carry a pairing. If he cannot his pay should reflect that. You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA? Stop your moaning. The one that always says no one wants to play here unless we overpay, no one wants to play here due to the lack of night life, the weather, Canada, taxes, etc. Lots of moaning from you past few years. Guys are coming here and playing for less than they can get elsewhere. Nobody cares, keep moaning. Your argument is defeated, players will play here and will come here to win regardless of your opinions. Same thing over and over, on and on, over many years. When our top guys start to exit their prime then maybe your arguments will become valid again. Move forward, always bringing up stuff from the past. The above is a reminder of what you bring up always, not going to dwell on it, move on. Last season we had a bad start, you were one of the defeated ones, nothing positive to say, probably stopped watching for awhile. Some of us stayed positive anyways despite your moaning and we turned it around. We all have our moments. Have a right to complain if I don't feel our future is being looked at close enough by management.
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 12:27:49 GMT -7
I bet it would be more than that. I bet he would get pretty much the same money he got from us over 7 years so closer to $16 per season. If our max offer was $13m per season for 8 why would he leave for $1M more? Windsors $11-12M are laughable so I don't even factor those into the equation. With Katz being thanked 1st by Leon you need to wonder if that number came from the owner. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 12:39:16 GMT -7
I bet it would be more than that. I bet he would get pretty much the same money he got from us over 7 years so closer to $16 per season. If our max offer was $13m per season for 8 why would he leave for $1M more? Windsors $11-12M are laughable so I don't even factor those into the equation. With Katz being thanked 1st by Leon you need to wonder if that number came from the owner. And I'm quite certain Katz is thanking our stars for making him richer. Sign guys long term regardless of cost, get richer. Not sure how accurate the link is, Katz paid 170 million now in 2024 Oilers are probably worth 2 billion. No problem, pay Drai 14 and McD 16. The fans are happy, money will keep rolling in. We'll see if there is enough leftover to keep the team good. It's a valid concern on my part.
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 12:56:19 GMT -7
With Katz being thanked 1st by Leon you need to wonder if that number came from the owner. And I'm quite certain Katz is thanking our stars for making him richer. Sign guys long term regardless of cost, get richer. Not sure how accurate the link is, Katz paid 170 million now in 2024 Oilers are probably worth 2 billion. No problem, pay Drai 14 and McD 16. The fans are happy, money will keep rolling in. We'll see if there is enough leftover to keep the team good. It's a valid concern on my part.
Sure valid but it is getting tiresome to hear. You are continually complaining about a situation that happens with ALL teams that have superstars. Ps. Reinhart and Stamkos are NOT good examples. |
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Post by igibb on Sept 4, 2024 13:04:01 GMT -7
I wish people would stop with this nonsense. Guess what McDavid would have fewer points if Drai wasn't on the team and that group of 5 wasn't on the PP as well. So would Bouch. And Drai isn't top 5 in points he is number 2 or number 1 in almost every category since signing his contract. Points: 713 (2nd) Goals: 297 (2nd) PPG: 130 (1st) GWG: 53 (4th) In the last 3 Playoff seasons Leon ranks: Points: 81 (2nd) Goals: 30 (T-1st) Assists: 51 (2nd) PPG: 15 (1st) Maybe I was unclear. You said Bouch's pay should reflect that he is 1st pairing and the main guy. He gets plenty of points, so he will get paid anyways. Did not try to get into specifics on Drai. It's pointless to nitpick. I said no such thing about Bouch although I agree with Yuke that he isn't a $10m defenseman regardless of what Nurse is paid. You are the one who brought up Drai's points and tried to nitpick them (he would get fewer points if he didn't play with McDavid) to suggest he shouldn't be paid as much. As per usual you move the goalpost to suit your narrative.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 13:17:28 GMT -7
And I'm quite certain Katz is thanking our stars for making him richer. Sign guys long term regardless of cost, get richer. Not sure how accurate the link is, Katz paid 170 million now in 2024 Oilers are probably worth 2 billion. No problem, pay Drai 14 and McD 16. The fans are happy, money will keep rolling in. We'll see if there is enough leftover to keep the team good. It's a valid concern on my part.
Sure valid but it is getting tiresome to hear. You are continually complaining about a situation that happens with ALL teams that have superstars. Ps. Reinhart and Stamkos are NOT good examples. That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing?
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 13:22:09 GMT -7
Maybe I was unclear. You said Bouch's pay should reflect that he is 1st pairing and the main guy. He gets plenty of points, so he will get paid anyways. Did not try to get into specifics on Drai. It's pointless to nitpick. I said no such thing about Bouch although I agree with Yuke that he isn't a $10m defenseman regardless of what Nurse is paid. You are the one who brought up Drai's points and tried to nitpick them (he would get fewer points if he didn't play with McDavid) to suggest he shouldn't be paid as much. As per usual you move the goalpost to suit your narrative. I mixed you up with Yuke. There is no narrative here. I agree Bouch is not a 10mil guy but arguments can be made to justify paying him that. Lots of points is one argument.
Whenever I under value a player, I can't win. Whenever I overvalue a player, can't win either 
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Post by yuke on Sept 4, 2024 14:44:04 GMT -7
Sure valid but it is getting tiresome to hear. You are continually complaining about a situation that happens with ALL teams that have superstars. Ps. Reinhart and Stamkos are NOT good examples. That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing? Stamkos is 34 & not at his prime. Reinhart isn't a franchise player period. Which other teams have done this? Penguins, Capitals, Avs, Kings... |
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