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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 4, 2024 15:57:34 GMT -7
You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA? 15 x 7 = 105 million, That's about what I thought too, but I wouldn't have been surprised if an auction was to break out and it might be a bit north of it. Very glad we got to keep him, and I like the deal for that reason.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 4, 2024 16:00:59 GMT -7
You're never getting a better idea out of Windsor. Just moaning. What do you think Drai's price is if he's a UFA? Stop your moaning. The one that always says no one wants to play here unless we overpay, no one wants to play here due to the lack of night life, the weather, Canada, taxes, etc. Lots of moaning from you past few years. Guys are coming here and playing for less than they can get elsewhere. Nobody cares, keep moaning. Your argument is defeated, players will play here and will come here to win regardless of your opinions. Same thing over and over, on and on, over many years. When our top guys start to exit their prime then maybe your arguments will become valid again. Move forward, always bringing up stuff from the past. The above is a reminder of what you bring up always, not going to dwell on it, move on. Last season we had a bad start, you were one of the defeated ones, nothing positive to say, probably stopped watching for awhile. Some of us stayed positive anyways despite your moaning and we turned it around. We all have our moments. Have a right to complain if I don't feel our future is being looked at close enough by management. So, have I been wrong for the last couple of decades? oilersnation.com/news/leon-draisaitls-extension-is-a-first-for-the-oilersWhat would your Drai trade proposal be? Pick a team that could afford him, and put a package together.
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Post by toley on Sept 4, 2024 17:22:30 GMT -7
Sure valid but it is getting tiresome to hear. You are continually complaining about a situation that happens with ALL teams that have superstars. Ps. Reinhart and Stamkos are NOT good examples. That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing? It's not even similar, McDavid and Draisatl, made it to the Stanley Cup finals, and a Western conference finals before that. While Toronto's stars haven't proved a thing. You've got stop with this, they'll take up xx% the cap is going to go up. |
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Post by neufab94 on Sept 4, 2024 18:55:42 GMT -7
Sure valid but it is getting tiresome to hear. You are continually complaining about a situation that happens with ALL teams that have superstars. Ps. Reinhart and Stamkos are NOT good examples. That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing? The Oilers have their share of blunders such as abandoning their young up and coming players, ie. Holloway. The farm team leaves something to be desired. That said, the growth of Skinner, the contracts and reliable contributions from Hyman and RNH, the growth of Bouchard and impact of Ekholm place the Oilers in a totally different category than the Leafs. Add in the fact that the Oilers stars actually perform in the playoffs and it further separates them from the Leafs. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 20:42:51 GMT -7
That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing? It's not even similar, McDavid and Draisatl, made it to the Stanley Cup finals, and a Western conference finals before that. While Toronto's stars haven't proved a thing. You've got stop with this, they'll take up xx% the cap is going to go up. That's your opinion. A franchise player isn't a good enough of a comparable. Ok. Most Canadian and crappy teams usually pay more for their players. Drai is making 30-40% more than many teams superstars. Not going to nitpick on who's better. Other star players have an opportunity to play with other good players. Cap is spread out more. So it's not all the teams with superstars have our problem argument. Drai makes significantly more than other teams stars and McD will do too so makes it difficult to surround a team. This is an Oilers and Leafs problem. See what the Leafs are doing, going to be hard to win that way. Now the Oilers are doing the same thing. Not to mention we are getting older by the minute so the Oilers are unique in their trajectory. Which other team(s) is doing what the Oilers and Leafs are doing? The Oilers have their share of blunders such as abandoning their young up and coming players, ie. Holloway. The farm team leaves something to be desired. That said, the growth of Skinner, the contracts and reliable contributions from Hyman and RNH, the growth of Bouchard and impact of Ekholm place the Oilers in a totally different category than the Leafs. Add in the fact that the Oilers stars actually perform in the playoffs and it further separates them from the Leafs. My post was not to dissect things. Leafs have the pay the top 3-4 guys model that we have. I am not sure which other teams in the league can be added to the list. It took us almost 20 years to get back to the finals. It's not easy. We could assemble the best team possible this year, have everything in place, do everything right. As you all recall back in 2006 we beat a powerhouse Detroit team where we had no business beating them. Or when we beat Dallas with their strong team. Nothing is for certain, cap going up is not for certain either but for the next two years regardless of the economy it appears the NHL looks ahead 2 years at a time. Learned that this summer. Will there be a lockout in 2-3 years? Rumors of this as well.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 21:03:46 GMT -7
Stop your moaning. The one that always says no one wants to play here unless we overpay, no one wants to play here due to the lack of night life, the weather, Canada, taxes, etc. Lots of moaning from you past few years. Guys are coming here and playing for less than they can get elsewhere. Nobody cares, keep moaning. Your argument is defeated, players will play here and will come here to win regardless of your opinions. Same thing over and over, on and on, over many years. When our top guys start to exit their prime then maybe your arguments will become valid again. Move forward, always bringing up stuff from the past. The above is a reminder of what you bring up always, not going to dwell on it, move on. Last season we had a bad start, you were one of the defeated ones, nothing positive to say, probably stopped watching for awhile. Some of us stayed positive anyways despite your moaning and we turned it around. We all have our moments. Have a right to complain if I don't feel our future is being looked at close enough by management. So, have I been wrong for the last couple of decades? oilersnation.com/news/leon-draisaitls-extension-is-a-first-for-the-oilersWhat would your Drai trade proposal be? Pick a team that could afford him, and put a package together. Not going to get into the Drai trade debate. He is signed now. Yes you have been wrong. Gretzky said fairly recently that if Katz was the owner Oilers would have kept him. Same for Smyth wanting to be here. You think those guys were crying because it was "thank goodness I'm finally out of Edmonton" or did they want to stay? Yeah. All those Oilers shipped to NY due to Pocklington being cheap. Believe it was the same for Weight. Players wanted to be here. The decade of darkness where Ferrence said it was a cluster you know what of a team with all the partying and not being too serious about hockey. Of course no one wants to come to a non committed team and a losing culture. Nuge signed here for life, Hyms chose to be here for life (unless they decide to play beyond 35-36) so there's two recent players off the top of my head, not just Drai. Winning is important to players, a place to raise your family and less hustle and bustle is important to other players. Not just the opinions that you have. Katz will pay the players, think that's a big difference, then winning, then all of the other things you love to argue about. Lets move on, we have a different culture here now.
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Post by toley on Sept 4, 2024 21:20:22 GMT -7
It's not even similar, McDavid and Draisatl, made it to the Stanley Cup finals, and a Western conference finals before that. While Toronto's stars haven't proved a thing. You've got stop with this, they'll take up xx% the cap is going to go up. The Oilers have their share of blunders such as abandoning their young up and coming players, ie. Holloway. The farm team leaves something to be desired. That said, the growth of Skinner, the contracts and reliable contributions from Hyman and RNH, the growth of Bouchard and impact of Ekholm place the Oilers in a totally different category than the Leafs. Add in the fact that the Oilers stars actually perform in the playoffs and it further separates them from the Leafs. My post was not to dissect things. Leafs have the pay the top 3-4 guys model that we have. I am not sure which other teams in the league can be added to the list. It took us almost 20 years to get back to the finals. It's not easy. We could assemble the best team possible this year, have everything in place, do everything right. As you all recall back in 2006 we beat a powerhouse Detroit team where we had no business beating them. Or when we beat Dallas with their strong team. Nothing is for certain, cap going up is not for certain either but for the next two years regardless of the economy it appears the NHL looks ahead 2 years at a time. Learned that this summer. Will there be a lockout in 2-3 years? Rumors of this as well. The difference is Oilers have had success, their big guys are the reason they have success in the playoffs, the Leafs guys disappear. And farther more ...there is no cap in the playoffs. And we know the cap will go up, what we don't know is by how much each year. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 4, 2024 21:29:47 GMT -7
My post was not to dissect things. Leafs have the pay the top 3-4 guys model that we have. I am not sure which other teams in the league can be added to the list. It took us almost 20 years to get back to the finals. It's not easy. We could assemble the best team possible this year, have everything in place, do everything right. As you all recall back in 2006 we beat a powerhouse Detroit team where we had no business beating them. Or when we beat Dallas with their strong team. Nothing is for certain, cap going up is not for certain either but for the next two years regardless of the economy it appears the NHL looks ahead 2 years at a time. Learned that this summer. Will there be a lockout in 2-3 years? Rumors of this as well. The difference is Oilers have had success, their big guys are the reason they have success in the playoffs, the Leafs guys disappear. And farther more ...there is no cap in the playoffs. And we know the cap will go up, what we don't know is by how much each year. And next year it could be the opposite. Nothing is for sure. Team had to work out of a big hole, thank goodness they did just to make the playoffs. Usually by US Thanksgiving if teams are too far out, odds you are cooked. We were one of those teams. Leafs have been better in the regular season every year, we have had more playoff success. They also play in a more difficult division than we do. Hate to give them credit for anything but it's true. In other news Kane is engaged, congrats to them And other news but not verified, DeAngelo to Oilers on a PTO.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 5, 2024 6:55:23 GMT -7
Not going to get into the Drai trade debate. You kinda started it...but, of course you won't.
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Post by toley on Sept 5, 2024 14:31:41 GMT -7
The difference is Oilers have had success, their big guys are the reason they have success in the playoffs, the Leafs guys disappear. And farther more ...there is no cap in the playoffs. And we know the cap will go up, what we don't know is by how much each year. And next year it could be the opposite. Nothing is for sure. Team had to work out of a big hole, thank goodness they did just to make the playoffs. Usually by US Thanksgiving if teams are too far out, odds you are cooked. We were one of those teams. Leafs have been better in the regular season every year, we have had more playoff success. They also play in a more difficult division than we do. Hate to give them credit for anything but it's true. In other news Kane is engaged, congrats to them And other news but not verified, DeAngelo to Oilers on a PTO. And which matters more, Presidents' Trophy or Stanley Cup? |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 5, 2024 21:22:35 GMT -7
And next year it could be the opposite. Nothing is for sure. Team had to work out of a big hole, thank goodness they did just to make the playoffs. Usually by US Thanksgiving if teams are too far out, odds you are cooked. We were one of those teams. Leafs have been better in the regular season every year, we have had more playoff success. They also play in a more difficult division than we do. Hate to give them credit for anything but it's true. In other news Kane is engaged, congrats to them And other news but not verified, DeAngelo to Oilers on a PTO. And which matters more, Presidents' Trophy or Stanley Cup? Not sure if this will work, if the video does not start at the time stamp, it starts at 1:53. That's my answer 
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 5, 2024 21:51:22 GMT -7
And which matters more, Presidents' Trophy or Stanley Cup? Not sure if this will work, if the video does not start at the time stamp, it starts at 1:53. That's my answer Early Oct last season. U R really pulling at straws these days eh windy. So angry about the future brah, enjoy the now, the future may not exist! Cue the #s we all already know and the trouble we are in down the road. Tell us again Windy, please tell us, we have not heard enough!!  When is the horse dead, like really.  Tbh, at this point, your pain has become pleasure on this point you've beaten to death, and death, and death. Funny. Just a game.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 6, 2024 6:48:40 GMT -7
Not sure if this will work, if the video does not start at the time stamp, it starts at 1:53. That's my answer Early Oct last season. U R really pulling at straws these days eh windy. So angry about the future brah, enjoy the now, the future may not exist! Cue the #s we all already know and the trouble we are in down the road. Tell us again Windy, please tell us, we have not heard enough!! When is the horse dead, like really. Tbh, at this point, your pain has become pleasure on this point you've beaten to death, and death, and death. Funny. Just a game. What are you talking about, the post was for toley to answer his question on whether we/me ALL want the Oilers to win a presidents trophy or a cup. My answer was 20 seconds of Drai's comment starting at 1:52 (like I said)that it was NOT THE BRIGHTEST question. Feel free to retract your comments. Drai's one liners are hilarious. You get the humor now? Huh Huh lol.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 6, 2024 7:37:03 GMT -7
My post was not to dissect things. Leafs have the pay the top 3-4 guys model that we have. I am not sure which other teams in the league can be added to the list. It took us almost 20 years to get back to the finals. It's not easy. We could assemble the best team possible this year, have everything in place, do everything right. As you all recall back in 2006 we beat a powerhouse Detroit team where we had no business beating them. Or when we beat Dallas with their strong team. Nothing is for certain, cap going up is not for certain either but for the next two years regardless of the economy it appears the NHL looks ahead 2 years at a time. Learned that this summer. Will there be a lockout in 2-3 years? Rumors of this as well. The difference is Oilers have had success, their big guys are the reason they have success in the playoffs, the Leafs guys disappear. And farther more ...there is no cap in the playoffs. And we know the cap will go up, what we don't know is by how much each year. I've had this convo with Leafs fans a few times. I think their main problem is how similar all their top guys are. All forwards with offensive focus....and one of them skates like he has shoes on Just by having one offensive dman, and one defensive dman, and two centers makes a big difference. A much more complete lineup.
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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 8:01:02 GMT -7
Early Oct last season. U R really pulling at straws these days eh windy. So angry about the future brah, enjoy the now, the future may not exist! Cue the #s we all already know and the trouble we are in down the road. Tell us again Windy, please tell us, we have not heard enough!! When is the horse dead, like really. Tbh, at this point, your pain has become pleasure on this point you've beaten to death, and death, and death. Funny. Just a game. What are you talking about, the post was for toley to answer his question on whether we/me ALL want the Oilers to win a presidents trophy or a cup. My answer was 20 seconds of Drai's comment starting at 1:52 (like I said)that it was NOT THE BRIGHTEST question. Feel free to retract your comments. Drai's one liners are hilarious. You get the humor now? Huh Huh lol. So why are you relating them to a team that has a better regular season, that has nothing to do with the Oilers winning in the playoffs. |
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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 8:21:50 GMT -7
The difference is Oilers have had success, their big guys are the reason they have success in the playoffs, the Leafs guys disappear. And farther more ...there is no cap in the playoffs. And we know the cap will go up, what we don't know is by how much each year. I've had this convo with Leafs fans a few times. I think their main problem is how similar all their top guys are. All forwards with offensive focus....and one of them skates like he has shoes on Just by having one offensive dman, and one defensive dman, and two centers makes a big difference. A much more complete lineup. Why does the top goal scorer stop scoring at the time where you need to score more goals? That's just one of their problems. This offensive team, gets neutralized in the playoffs. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 6, 2024 8:37:58 GMT -7
What are you talking about, the post was for toley to answer his question on whether we/me ALL want the Oilers to win a presidents trophy or a cup. My answer was 20 seconds of Drai's comment starting at 1:52 (like I said)that it was NOT THE BRIGHTEST question. Feel free to retract your comments. Drai's one liners are hilarious. You get the humor now? Huh Huh lol. So why are you relating them to a team that has a better regular season, that has nothing to do with the Oilers winning in the playoffs. Once again because they have a similar model on how the team is assembled. Leafs and Oilers pay their top guys huge and I don't think that's the best way to go. Leafs have had success in their own way. They are more competitive then us, until the playoffs start. They come close but not close enough. Did we get lucky last year when Picks came in for two games to give Stew a chance to refocus? I think this would be fair. Or we would be out. Need lots of things to come together in the playoffs.
Love our progress but winning as you define it is not winning. There are no points for 2nd best. You either win the cup or you don't. This year should be our best chance.
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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 8:44:10 GMT -7
So why are you relating them to a team that has a better regular season, that has nothing to do with the Oilers winning in the playoffs. Once again because they have a similar model on how the team is assembled. Leafs and Oilers pay their top guys huge and I don't think that's the best way to go. Leafs have had success in their own way. They are more competitive then us, until the playoffs start. They come close but not close enough. Did we get lucky last year when Picks came in for two games to give Stew a chance to refocus? I think this would be fair. Or we would be out. Need lots of things to come together in the playoffs.
Love our progress but winning as you define it is not winning. There are no points for 2nd best. You either win the cup or you don't. This year should be our best chance.
Cause if you don't pay your top guys, you lose your top cause and it turns into a disaster, look at Calgary losing their top guys. They're coming down. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 6, 2024 9:02:36 GMT -7
I've had this convo with Leafs fans a few times. I think their main problem is how similar all their top guys are. All forwards with offensive focus....and one of them skates like he has shoes on Just by having one offensive dman, and one defensive dman, and two centers makes a big difference. A much more complete lineup. Why does the top goal scorer stop scoring at the time where you need to score more goals? That's just one of their problems. This offensive team, gets neutralized in the playoffs. One of our great gifts from McD is his hyper-competitiveness. Most guys just don't have that extra, psychotic, gear.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 6, 2024 9:34:18 GMT -7
Once again because they have a similar model on how the team is assembled. Leafs and Oilers pay their top guys huge and I don't think that's the best way to go. Leafs have had success in their own way. They are more competitive then us, until the playoffs start. They come close but not close enough. Did we get lucky last year when Picks came in for two games to give Stew a chance to refocus? I think this would be fair. Or we would be out. Need lots of things to come together in the playoffs. Love our progress but winning as you define it is not winning. There are no points for 2nd best. You either win the cup or you don't. This year should be our best chance.
Cause if you don't pay your top guys, you lose your top cause and it turns into a disaster, look at Calgary losing their top guys. They're coming down. My opinion is different and has already been said before to naturally keep the team young and productive. It lengthens your window. You pay your top guys up until 32-35, not 36-40. Panthers got rid of their top guys going into their 30's and invested in the younger star player instead. Yes I know, will hear about making a Drai trade proposal. You are talking about Calgary's demise well there is an example. To turn things the other way, LA cleared cap and in one of their D, giving him away, gave 3-4 players + a 2nd in a trade to get PLD. After a year he is gone. So LA tried to invest in youth to be at least a 2nd C and it didn't work out. So investing in young players does not always work out. Have no answers. We are paying our top guys, hopefully we draft well and the cap moves up big time. This would also extend our window. Really give props to Brown, yes he cost way too much last year with his overage this year. True dedication to play for 1 million when he can get 3+ on the open market and just say screw it. His words and his heart did exactly what he said he would do, he did not make par last year so he's invested in giving us a chance for cheap this year. Love Brown's 1st goal last season after all of the off of the post chances and goal wasn't even pretty. Appreciation from the fans. Part of the reason why we got him for 1 mil this year. Just great stuff!
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