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Post by toley on Sept 8, 2024 8:18:13 GMT -7
Norway is a good fan, wherever he might be. This is Columbus' world and we're lucky he let's us live in it. Lol. I'm just laying in the weeds (literally, on some nights) waiting for the season to start. Baseball is boring me to tears. Football is ok, but doesn't hold a candle to our Oilers. Somebody drop the damn puck. I don't even feel like I'll watch Oilers preseason cause it's just almost meaningless, kinda. I'm a Braves fan, but honestly I don't start watching til the playoffs, I'll peak into games but watch til like the fourth inning. Haha I'll start following the Guardians cause they've got an Edmontonian pitcher Erik Sabrowski. Are you a Browns or Bengals guy? Ohio State? |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 8, 2024 8:24:43 GMT -7
Windsor's points are valid cap concerns. I think we should start a cap concern thread and keep it all in one place. I don't think it's fair to say bc he lives out East that he has succumbed to TO media. In fact, Windsor's model for our team falls right in line with what Toronto is doing/or has been trying to do for several yrs. Diff is, we are a much MUCH better team and way closer to the cup. There is no Cap Concern. If you say so. 
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 8, 2024 8:31:04 GMT -7
Lol. I'm just laying in the weeds (literally, on some nights) waiting for the season to start. Baseball is boring me to tears. Football is ok, but doesn't hold a candle to our Oilers. Somebody drop the damn puck. I don't even feel like I'll watch Oilers preseason cause it's just almost meaningless, kinda. I'm a Braves fan, but honestly I don't start watching til the playoffs, I'll peak into games but watch til like the fourth inning. Haha I'll start following the Guardians cause they've got an Edmontonian pitcher Erik Sabrowski. Are you a Browns or Bengals guy? Ohio State? Tell that to all the prospects trying to make the team and the coaching staff that are assessing them. For me, the scores matter not in exhibition, but it's an important time for the young guys to show their stuff and perhaps move up the pecking order in the eyes of the coaches. The vets and players already on the big team these games are of much much less importance but good to get out there and get in the groove. I hear ya though, not the best hockey to watch lol, but it's hockey! Almost meaningless is fair. I bet you watch some. 
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Post by columbusoiler on Sept 8, 2024 8:42:18 GMT -7
Lol. I'm just laying in the weeds (literally, on some nights) waiting for the season to start. Baseball is boring me to tears. Football is ok, but doesn't hold a candle to our Oilers. Somebody drop the damn puck. I don't even feel like I'll watch Oilers preseason cause it's just almost meaningless, kinda. I'm a Braves fan, but honestly I don't start watching til the playoffs, I'll peak into games but watch til like the fourth inning. Haha I'll start following the Guardians cause they've got an Edmontonian pitcher Erik Sabrowski. Are you a Browns or Bengals guy? Ohio State? I'm actually a Braves fan also. But devastating injury after injury has made this season beyond frustrating. They were cursed from day one. Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of any Ohio team, in any sport. |
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Post by toley on Sept 8, 2024 8:42:21 GMT -7
I don't even feel like I'll watch Oilers preseason cause it's just almost meaningless, kinda. I'm a Braves fan, but honestly I don't start watching til the playoffs, I'll peak into games but watch til like the fourth inning. Haha I'll start following the Guardians cause they've got an Edmontonian pitcher Erik Sabrowski. Are you a Browns or Bengals guy? Ohio State? Tell that to all the prospects trying to make the team and the coaching staff that are assessing them. For me, the scores matter not in exhibition, but it's an important time for the young guys to show their stuff and perhaps move up the pecking order in the eyes of the coaches. The vets and players already on the big team these games are of much much less importance but good to get out there and get in the groove. I hear ya though, not the best hockey to watch lol, but it's hockey! Yeah I meant it as "meaningless" to watch. Kinda. The only spots really is who lands where on the RHD, that's right the only spots up for grabs. We don't have a prospect that going to make it out of camp. I think Savoie will be sent down and probably the first call up. And there isn't a cap concern, by this time in 2 seasons(26/27 season) it should be $100 million if not close to it. With Draisatl, and McDavid making an estimated $30 Million, you should be able to put a team around them for $70Million. |
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Post by columbusoiler on Sept 8, 2024 9:02:50 GMT -7
Right now, I'm just thrilled we get to watch Leon for the foreseeable future. I'll worry about the cap crunch at a later date.
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 8, 2024 9:19:36 GMT -7
Tell that to all the prospects trying to make the team and the coaching staff that are assessing them. For me, the scores matter not in exhibition, but it's an important time for the young guys to show their stuff and perhaps move up the pecking order in the eyes of the coaches. The vets and players already on the big team these games are of much much less importance but good to get out there and get in the groove. I hear ya though, not the best hockey to watch lol, but it's hockey! Yeah I meant it as "meaningless" to watch. Kinda. The only spots really is who lands where on the RHD, that's right the only spots up for grabs. We don't have a prospect that going to make it out of camp. I think Savoie will be sent down and probably the first call up. And there isn't a cap concern, by this time in 2 seasons(26/27 season) it should be $100 million if not close to it. With Draisatl, and McDavid making an estimated $30 Million, you should be able to put a team around them for $70Million. RHD yes, and I'm not sure of our 4th line but yeah coach will probably go with the vets and the new guy Podkolzin to start the season. I'm really hoping some young guys start pushing the Ryans and Perrys out of the line-up. We're gonna need them to eventually, sooner the better, afaic. Also hoping for another strong year from Rodrigue on the farm and we'll see him for a game or two in the Bigs this year. Agreed the cap concern is down the road, not this season, but there will be ways to navigate it when the time comes. For now, just Win baby.
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Post by toley on Sept 8, 2024 9:37:52 GMT -7
Yeah I meant it as "meaningless" to watch. Kinda. The only spots really is who lands where on the RHD, that's right the only spots up for grabs. We don't have a prospect that going to make it out of camp. I think Savoie will be sent down and probably the first call up. And there isn't a cap concern, by this time in 2 seasons(26/27 season) it should be $100 million if not close to it. With Draisatl, and McDavid making an estimated $30 Million, you should be able to put a team around them for $70Million. RHD yes, and I'm not sure of our 4th line but yeah coach will probably go with the vets and the new guy Podkolzin to start the season. I'm really hoping some young guys start pushing the Ryans and Perrys out of the line-up. We're gonna need them to eventually, sooner the better, afaic. Also hoping for another strong year from Rodrigue on the farm and we'll see him for a game or two in the Bigs this year. Agreed the cap concern is down the road, not this season, but there will be ways to navigate it when the time comes. For now, just Win baby. I would have liked to see Noah Philip make a push for that 4thC but he'll need a season. And RHD, there's Kemp and Wanner who might get a taste this year. I wouldn't mind a Travis Dermott PTO if anything. Lol what I'm saying is there shouldn't be a cap crush. I did the math. I calculated while excluding Draisatl and McDavid, if you could resign everyone, to what their cap hit is now while giving Bouchard and S.Skinner raises and it comes in just under the $70million I stated. I then included Draisatl's $14million and McDavid's estimated $16million, for a full salary cap of just over $98million. |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 8, 2024 9:48:59 GMT -7
RHD yes, and I'm not sure of our 4th line but yeah coach will probably go with the vets and the new guy Podkolzin to start the season. I'm really hoping some young guys start pushing the Ryans and Perrys out of the line-up. We're gonna need them to eventually, sooner the better, afaic. Also hoping for another strong year from Rodrigue on the farm and we'll see him for a game or two in the Bigs this year. Agreed the cap concern is down the road, not this season, but there will be ways to navigate it when the time comes. For now, just Win baby. I would have liked to see Noah Philip make a push for that 4thC but he'll need a season. And RHD, there's Kemp and Wanner who might get a taste this year. I wouldn't mind a Travis Dermott PTO if anything. Lol what I'm saying is there shouldn't be a cap crush. I did the math. I calculated while excluding Draisatl and McDavid, if you could resign everyone, to what their cap hit is now while giving Bouchard and S.Skinner raises and it comes in just under the $70million I stated. I then included Draisatl's $14million and McDavid's estimated $16million, for a full salary cap of just over $98million. Well there ya go, problems solved, lol. Anywho, back to the line-up. Agreed on the farm names you've mentioned and I'll add Lavoie and Jarventie to the list as well. I think Savoie has to be on the roster for 1 day then we can send him down to save on bonuses of some sort, so I read awhile back. I wonder if he gets a game to start the season. Doubt it, but maybe. Likely first call up though I agree. What happened to the Tony D PTO rumors? Lotsa names mentioned for PTOs so far but nothing confirmed yet.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 8, 2024 10:21:27 GMT -7
Tell that to all the prospects trying to make the team and the coaching staff that are assessing them. For me, the scores matter not in exhibition, but it's an important time for the young guys to show their stuff and perhaps move up the pecking order in the eyes of the coaches. The vets and players already on the big team these games are of much much less importance but good to get out there and get in the groove. I hear ya though, not the best hockey to watch lol, but it's hockey! Yeah I meant it as "meaningless" to watch. Kinda. The only spots really is who lands where on the RHD, that's right the only spots up for grabs. We don't have a prospect that going to make it out of camp. I think Savoie will be sent down and probably the first call up. And there isn't a cap concern, by this time in 2 seasons(26/27 season) it should be $100 million if not close to it. With Draisatl, and McDavid making an estimated $30 Million, you should be able to put a team around them for $70Million. I'll bite: Year 2026 McD 16 Drai 14 Nuge 5.125 Hyms 5.5 Nurse 9.25 Bouch 8 Skinner 5 JC buyout 2.6 Total: 65.475 Leaves less than 35 mil for 16 players assuming 100 mil. In two years cap will probably be 96 million. Then the total to work with will be 31 mil for 15-16 players. We are not sure what the numbers will be for Bouch and Skinner but notice I used lower numbers above. Bouch could be 9-10 not 8, Skinner if he's a true starter 5 mil would be a minimum. Swayman wants 9 million apparently so we can easily pencil in Skinner if he continues to trend up at 7-9 mil not 5. Taking the highest numbers (Bouch 10, Skins 9) then we have 25 mil left for 15-16 players (either a 22 or 23 man roster). So 31 mil best case or 25 mil worst case to play with. Either way most of the players will need to be around a million bucks. You can have 2-3 players making more in each scenario but the bulk of the team will need to be 1 mil players. In 2024, 1 mil does not get you much of a player and we have few prospects ready to go that would be earning that. Wanner and Savoie would be 2 of them if they pan out. We only have 2 D in the calculation above, to complete only our D's top 4 that's two 5 mil players right there. Right? So even the 31 mil figure goes down to 21 mil for 13-14 players. If it's 25mil that's now down to 15 mil for 13-14 players. This would be our lineup with Wanner and Savoie in full time, 2 top 4 D added, need to add Janmark's 1.45 mil and Brown's 1 mil to all of the above totals as they are signed in 2026, whether we have 21 mil cap or 15 mil before Wanner/Savoie/Janmark/Brown are added in, rest of the team is comprised of 1 mil players, if it's the best case scenario we can add one 6 mil dollar player to play with Drai: Nuge McD Hyms XX Drai Savoie Janmark XX XX XX XX XX XX (XX) 5 mil D Bouch Nurse 5 mil D Wanner XX Brown Skins XX
All of this is very optimistic to get 2 top 4 D for 10 mil combined. Even if the cap is higher you would have 12-14 mil instead of 10 mil for those two top 4 D. So if cap is 100 mil in 2026, the 10 mil for 2 top 4D is too cheap, would rather have a 7mil D each to play with Nurse and Bouch. That sounds more realistic. All of the above still applies with a 100 mil cap. Best case you have a solid player playing with Drai (6 mil), all of the XX's are 1 mil players. Worst case, they are all 1 mil players.
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Post by yuke on Sept 8, 2024 19:16:55 GMT -7
Yeah I meant it as "meaningless" to watch. Kinda. The only spots really is who lands where on the RHD, that's right the only spots up for grabs. We don't have a prospect that going to make it out of camp. I think Savoie will be sent down and probably the first call up. And there isn't a cap concern, by this time in 2 seasons(26/27 season) it should be $100 million if not close to it. With Draisatl, and McDavid making an estimated $30 Million, you should be able to put a team around them for $70Million. I'll bite: Year 2026 McD 16 Drai 14 Nuge 5.125 Hyms 5.5 Nurse 9.25 Bouch 8 Skinner 5 JC buyout 2.6 Total: 65.475 Leaves less than 35 mil for 16 players assuming 100 mil. In two years cap will probably be 96 million. Then the total to work with will be 31 mil for 15-16 players. We are not sure what the numbers will be for Bouch and Skinner but notice I used lower numbers above. Bouch could be 9-10 not 8, Skinner if he's a true starter 5 mil would be a minimum. Swayman wants 9 million apparently so we can easily pencil in Skinner if he continues to trend up at 7-9 mil not 5. Taking the highest numbers (Bouch 10, Skins 9) then we have 25 mil left for 15-16 players (either a 22 or 23 man roster). So 31 mil best case or 25 mil worst case to play with. Either way most of the players will need to be around a million bucks. You can have 2-3 players making more in each scenario but the bulk of the team will need to be 1 mil players. In 2024, 1 mil does not get you much of a player and we have few prospects ready to go that would be earning that. Wanner and Savoie would be 2 of them if they pan out. We only have 2 D in the calculation above, to complete only our D's top 4 that's two 5 mil players right there. Right? So even the 31 mil figure goes down to 21 mil for 13-14 players. If it's 25mil that's now down to 15 mil for 13-14 players. This would be our lineup with Wanner and Savoie in full time, 2 top 4 D added, need to add Janmark's 1.45 mil and Brown's 1 mil to all of the above totals as they are signed in 2026, whether we have 21 mil cap or 15 mil before Wanner/Savoie/Janmark/Brown are added in, rest of the team is comprised of 1 mil players, if it's the best case scenario we can add one 6 mil dollar player to play with Drai: Nuge McD Hyms XX Drai Savoie Janmark XX XX XX XX XX XX (XX) 5 mil D Bouch Nurse 5 mil D Wanner XX Brown Skins XX
All of this is very optimistic to get 2 top 4 D for 10 mil combined. Even if the cap is higher you would have 12-14 mil instead of 10 mil for those two top 4 D. So if cap is 100 mil in 2026, the 10 mil for 2 top 4D is too cheap, would rather have a 7mil D each to play with Nurse and Bouch. That sounds more realistic. All of the above still applies with a 100 mil cap. Best case you have a solid player playing with Drai (6 mil), all of the XX's are 1 mil players. Worst case, they are all 1 mil players.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 8, 2024 20:45:48 GMT -7
[/quote]Where is Janmark and Josh Brown. They are under contract 2026.[/quote]
It's all there. 96 to 100 million cap, maybe we'll have another prospec or two in the lineup. All the top guys except for Bouchard will have an nmc. Most of the scenarios are there.
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Post by SuperDave17 on Sept 8, 2024 20:58:14 GMT -7
I would have liked to see Noah Philip make a push for that 4thC but he'll need a season. And RHD, there's Kemp and Wanner who might get a taste this year. I wouldn't mind a Travis Dermott PTO if anything. Lol what I'm saying is there shouldn't be a cap crush. I did the math. I calculated while excluding Draisatl and McDavid, if you could resign everyone, to what their cap hit is now while giving Bouchard and S.Skinner raises and it comes in just under the $70million I stated. I then included Draisatl's $14million and McDavid's estimated $16million, for a full salary cap of just over $98million. Well there ya go, problems solved, lol. Anywho, back to the line-up. Agreed on the farm names you've mentioned and I'll add Lavoie and Jarventie to the list as well. I think Savoie has to be on the roster for 1 day then we can send him down to save on bonuses of some sort, so I read awhile back. I wonder if he gets a game to start the season. Doubt it, but maybe. Likely first call up though I agree. What happened to the Tony D PTO rumors? Lotsa names mentioned for PTOs so far but nothing confirmed yet.
Seravelli apparently backpedalled on that during the Kevin Karius show.
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Post by yuke on Sept 9, 2024 5:31:53 GMT -7
Where is Janmark and Josh Brown. They are under contract 2026.[/quote] It's all there. 96 to 100 million cap, maybe we'll have another prospec or two in the lineup. All the top guys except for Bouchard will have an nmc. Most of the scenarios are there.[/quote] When you do not add ALL the players under contract for your example it is " cherry picking" stats. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 9, 2024 6:42:25 GMT -7
Where is Janmark and Josh Brown. They are under contract 2026. It's all there. 96 to 100 million cap, maybe we'll have another prospec or two in the lineup. All the top guys except for Bouchard will have an nmc. Most of the scenarios are there.[/quote] When you do not add ALL the players under contract for your example it is " cherry picking" stats.[/quote] They are there in the 2nd part. Took me a half hour to put this together. JanMark/Brown/Wanner/Savoie are all there. They are all around 1 mil a piece so they are interchangeable. Whether it's those specific players or different players. Trying to be as neutral as possible. Unless any of the big contracts in the 1st part remove their NMC for a trade or go on LTIR this is basically verified news for 2026 (assuming McD/Bouch sign of course). We have no idea who is going to replace Eks but it's going to be a 6-8 mil D, same thing for the 2nd pairing, maybe a bit cheaper. Anxious to see what Akey and O'Reilly can do, maybe they are ready in 2026? Either way all the 1 mil players can be swapped out or moved around the lineup. We will need these players, some of them to pan out. Like I said spent some time on this, it's not nice to say someone is cherry picking.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 9, 2024 8:13:30 GMT -7
Good teams have good players and cap crunches. This isn't breaking news.
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Post by toley on Sept 9, 2024 8:15:26 GMT -7
Good teams have good players and cap crunches. This isn't breaking news. Yeah, I don't understand the hysteria. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 9, 2024 9:44:35 GMT -7
It's not hysteria or worries. Just a close projection. There's cap crunches then there's extreme cap crunches. If a few of our prospects work out then it's going to make everything easier. But the 1 mil salary for the bulk of the team is still going to happen. Just like we had to do after we signed McD to his first deal, taking gambles and flyers on fringe players due to limited cap. Did we miss the playoffs back then, yes we did.
Sure would be nice to have Holly/Brobers signed for 1.3-1.5 each for 3 years including 2026. Would help now and then. But what's done is done. Going to need some impact players on the cheap, no way around it.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 9, 2024 9:59:24 GMT -7
It's not hysteria or worries. Just a close projection. There's cap crunches then there's extreme cap crunches. If a few of our prospects work out then it's going to make everything easier. But the 1 mil salary for the bulk of the team is still going to happen. Just like we had to do after we signed McD to his first deal, taking gambles and flyers on fringe players due to limited cap. Did we miss the playoffs back then, yes we did. Sure would be nice to have Holly/Brobers signed for 1.3-1.5 each for 3 years including 2026. Would help now and then. But what's done is done. Going to need some impact players on the cheap, no way around it. Did we make it to game 7 of the finals with some flyers on cheap fringe players? Yes. Yes we did. Star players, top5 players, in the league are going to get paid. To have a great team, you need to have one of those guys, and we have the luxury of having two of those guys.
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Post by toley on Sept 9, 2024 10:00:59 GMT -7
It's not hysteria or worries. Just a close projection. There's cap crunches then there's extreme cap crunches. If a few of our prospects work out then it's going to make everything easier. But the 1 mil salary for the bulk of the team is still going to happen. Just like we had to do after we signed McD to his first deal, taking gambles and flyers on fringe players due to limited cap. Did we miss the playoffs back then, yes we did. Sure would be nice to have Holly/Brobers signed for 1.3-1.5 each for 3 years including 2026. Would help now and then. But what's done is done. Going to need some impact players on the cheap, no way around it. Now did we miss the playoffs cause of $1million players, or was it cause we had an overachieving Goaltending, and when the goaltending came back down the GM started making rash moves? |
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