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Post by toley on Sept 12, 2024 13:23:34 GMT -7
I was more talking about the ability of squeezing players. Which Toronto is the least likely to squeeze a player for a decent contract. It's taken Robertson 2 - 3? more years to get to the same GP as Holloway. The guy never plays so it's hard to evaluate him. Holloway may not have the high ceiling ,but you know what he's gonna bring 60+ nights a year. It's got to a point where, I agree with a trade request, much like Broberg at the time. Either use me or trade me to a team that actually gives me a chance to be a regular player. |
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Post by drtaf on Sept 12, 2024 13:41:13 GMT -7
I was more talking about the ability of squeezing players. Which Toronto is the least likely to squeeze a player for a decent contract. It's taken Robertson 2 - 3? more years to get to the same GP as Holloway. The guy never plays so it's hard to evaluate him. Holloway may not have the high ceiling ,but you know what he's gonna bring 60+ nights a year. Hence why holloway got the OS and not NR  . It's disappointing to lose PB and DH for a lot less than they're worth, but it's equally tough to say we shoud've paid them a lot more than they are currently worth, like STL just did? I'm cautiously optimistic that our D isnt quite as bad as some seem to think and are forward depth is now a lot better with Skinner and Arvi. Ceci is/was not a top 4 D-man, bottom pairing at best and so was over-priced and easily replaceable, same goes for VD. The guys we brought in are basically interchangeable with them so i dont see any drop off really? Bro is the X-factor but the reality is; last year he was the 7th d-man for 90% of the year and only played in playoffs cos VD was injured/getting schooled and TBF, he played well but in a very short sample size. Can Emberson provide what Bro did last year? it actually wouldn't be too hard to do TBH? A lot of folks are projecting Bro to be a legit top 4 even maybe top pair minute munching D-man this year but there's no guarantee that will be the case and besides, that's not what he provided last year and so logic says if we get someone who can provide what Bro did last year we should do equally as well on D? I also presume at some point that SB will address the D-shortfall if/when it becomes a problem and he's likely to do that with some TDL deals providing we can get to that point and be in a good playoff spot? our top 4 D right now is bouch Ek nurse -X, kulak-X. Filling those X's shouldn't be terribly difficult for min wages. Is it ideal? No of course not, but every top team has some "filler" in their line up and we wont be any different. But This team is still very likely going to be contending for the cup and in this day and age that's about as best you can hope for!
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 13, 2024 8:58:48 GMT -7
It's taken Robertson 2 - 3? more years to get to the same GP as Holloway. The guy never plays so it's hard to evaluate him. Holloway may not have the high ceiling ,but you know what he's gonna bring 60+ nights a year. It's got to a point where, I agree with a trade request, much like Broberg at the time. Either use me or trade me to a team that actually gives me a chance to be a regular player. It's been injuries. I'm sure they would have played him if they had the chance. This is why the trade request seemed out of place. If he'd been available to play and scratched I would get it, but acting like a star when you had a good half season and then bits n bites of the following several seasons...."demanding" anything is a bit ambitious
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Post by drtaf on Sept 13, 2024 13:48:13 GMT -7
It's got to a point where, I agree with a trade request, much like Broberg at the time. Either use me or trade me to a team that actually gives me a chance to be a regular player. It's been injuries. I'm sure they would have played him if they had the chance. This is why the trade request seemed out of place. If he'd been available to play and scratched I would get it, but acting like a star when you had a good half season and then bits n bites of the following several seasons...."demanding" anything is a bit ambitious My wild guess is that his agent new that teams were really interested in him and that he would get a lot more money elsewhere than here, and by that i mean both the agent and player! 
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Post by drtaf on Sept 13, 2024 16:01:19 GMT -7
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Post by toley on Sept 13, 2024 16:31:54 GMT -7
It's got to a point where, I agree with a trade request, much like Broberg at the time. Either use me or trade me to a team that actually gives me a chance to be a regular player. It's been injuries. I'm sure they would have played him if they had the chance. This is why the trade request seemed out of place. If he'd been available to play and scratched I would get it, but acting like a star when you had a good half season and then bits n bites of the following several seasons...."demanding" anything is a bit ambitious I also believe he was in the OHL during COVID, which hindered development. I think Keefe preferred other guy. I don't think it's a chance thing, I assume it was a coach thing. |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 15, 2024 15:24:37 GMT -7
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Post by toley on Sept 15, 2024 17:04:35 GMT -7
...Just waiting for preseason, which I probably won't watch anyway. |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 15, 2024 17:10:30 GMT -7
...Just waiting for preseason, which I probably won't watch anyway.   
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 16, 2024 10:05:52 GMT -7
Sid the kid just signed for the same AAV. So 8.7 mil for the next 3 years as he is 37-38-39 yrs old. Makes me bitter about Drai again... just as I let it go. Crosby prefers to win. Thought the fire was out, someone poured gasoline on it  |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 16, 2024 10:47:24 GMT -7
Sid the kid just signed for the same AAV. So 8.7 mil for the next 3 years as he is 37-38-39 yrs old. Makes me bitter about Drai again... just as I let it go. Crosby prefers to win. Thought the fire was out, someone poured gasoline on it Haha, I'm going to start a Cap thread, I think we need one. It's going to be a hot topic on here for a few years I reckon.  I read an article today at the Athletic that gave me hope. Stay tuned.
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Post by yuke on Sept 16, 2024 10:51:50 GMT -7
Sid the kid just signed for the same AAV. So 8.7 mil for the next 3 years as he is 37-38-39 yrs old. Makes me bitter about Drai again... just as I let it go. Crosby prefers to win. Thought the fire was out, someone poured gasoline on it Big difference signing at 38 compared to 30. But you know that right |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 16, 2024 11:03:47 GMT -7
Sid the kid just signed for the same AAV. So 8.7 mil for the next 3 years as he is 37-38-39 yrs old. Makes me bitter about Drai again... just as I let it go. Crosby prefers to win. Thought the fire was out, someone poured gasoline on it Big difference signing at 38 compared to 30. But you know that right No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge.
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Post by yuke on Sept 16, 2024 11:24:45 GMT -7
Big difference signing at 38 compared to 30. But you know that right No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge. Are you actually serious? |
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 16, 2024 11:29:05 GMT -7
Big difference signing at 38 compared to 30. But you know that right No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge. I started a thread just for you Windsor haha! Crosby's new contract came in at what most projected, maybe slightly less. Good deal for both player and team. Huge discount, I beg to differ..
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Post by toley on Sept 16, 2024 11:51:07 GMT -7
Big difference signing at 38 compared to 30. But you know that right No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge. So that means you're going to cheer for the Penguins cause Crosby "wants to win"? Crosby's other contract was also 12yrs at $8.7million for a total of $102million. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 16, 2024 11:59:33 GMT -7
No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge. Are you actually serious? This is not Oilers verified news, I'm not sure why you guys keep posting this nonsense 
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 16, 2024 12:09:26 GMT -7
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Post by drtaf on Sept 16, 2024 12:10:32 GMT -7
No one is suppose to be biting anymore when I stir the pot but the board is too quiet. Drai will be making 14 mil at 38 so what's your point? Even if the cap goes up 20% in 8 years Crosby's discount is huge. So that means you're going to cheer for the Penguins cause Crosby "wants to win"? Crosby's other contract was also 12yrs at $8.7million for a total of $102million. If drai is still scoring close to 100pts a season when he's 38 I'll be happy to pay him $14M as that will be the going rate or more for a 100pt guy in 2032 or whenever
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 16, 2024 12:22:11 GMT -7
So that means you're going to cheer for the Penguins cause Crosby "wants to win"? Crosby's other contract was also 12yrs at $8.7million for a total of $102million. If drai is still scoring close to 100pts a season when he's 38 I'll be happy to pay him $14M as that will be the going rate or more for a 100pt guy in 2032 or whenever Yep, pretty sure he'll take a pay cut too at that point in time if he wants to keep playing as he'll have made like 200 mil by then. Like, how much does a fella really need?!  Spose we'll cross that bridge in another decade with Leon!
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. It's disappointing to lose PB and DH for a lot less than they're worth, but it's equally tough to say we shoud've paid them a lot more than they are currently worth, like STL just did? 
I read an article today at the Athletic that gave me hope. Stay tuned.
