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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 19, 2024 8:08:48 GMT -7
It's not the same as Vegas at all, Kane isn't going on LTIR. Oilers aren't spending to the cap. Also don't think, Kane will comeback Game 1, he'll probably get back February or March. Not sure how it all works. If Oilers start the season with no LTIR they can accrue space. Kane or anyone else can go on LTIR later on and we would accrue cap space aside from the days/weeks/months the player is on LTIR. If incorrect please let me know. So it makes sense to have Kane on IR only. Have Savoie up with the big club for the 1st game so if he gets called up his bonuses won't count on our cap.
We will see if our two PTO's can push the current roster players. With Kane out, Lavoie needs to push out Hoffman, some of the other kids push out Ryan or Perry. On D, Dermott is very versatile so he can push someone out too. Your guesses are as good as mine.
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Post by toley on Sept 19, 2024 8:33:20 GMT -7
It's not the same as Vegas at all, Kane isn't going on LTIR. Oilers aren't spending to the cap. Also don't think, Kane will comeback Game 1, he'll probably get back February or March. Not sure how it all works. If Oilers start the season with no LTIR they can accrue space. Kane or anyone else can go on LTIR later on and we would accrue cap space aside from the days/weeks/months the player is on LTIR. If incorrect please let me know. So it makes sense to have Kane on IR only. Have Savoie up with the big club for the 1st game so if he gets called up his bonuses won't count on our cap.
We will see if our two PTO's can push the current roster players. With Kane out, Lavoie needs to push out Hoffman, some of the other kids push out Ryan or Perry. On D, Dermott is very versatile so he can push someone out too. Your guesses are as good as mine.
In order to get the benefit of LTIR, you need to spend to the cap. It would not make sense to put Kane on LTIR at all, if they don't receive the benefit. |
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Post by drtaf on Sept 19, 2024 9:12:45 GMT -7
It's not the same as Vegas at all, Kane isn't going on LTIR. Oilers aren't spending to the cap. Also don't think, Kane will comeback Game 1, he'll probably get back February or March. Not sure how it all works. If Oilers start the season with no LTIR they can accrue space. Kane or anyone else can go on LTIR later on and we would accrue cap space aside from the days/weeks/months the player is on LTIR. If incorrect please let me know. So it makes sense to have Kane on IR only. Have Savoie up with the big club for the 1st game so if he gets called up his bonuses won't count on our cap.
We will see if our two PTO's can push the current roster players. With Kane out, Lavoie needs to push out Hoffman, some of the other kids push out Ryan or Perry. On D, Dermott is very versatile so he can push someone out too. Your guesses are as good as mine.
I'll save you the chore of reading an entire spec article but here's how he described the "best case scenario Re: Kane and LTIR "If the Oilers get a bunch of injuries, then Kane will be placed on LTIR simply for salary relief. By the Trade Deadline, if he is not ready to return, then the Oilers could bring on nearly all of his salary in new players — but Kane could not play for the rest of the regular season. Then there is this scenario: Edmonton has no serious injuries, and their current cap space of $945,833 accrues over the season, growing to about $3 million by the deadline. Then they put Kane on LTIR, use his cap space (minus the $945,833), and end up with around $7 million in cap space to use at the Trade Deadline" Again this is Spec's POV not mine and he does talk out of his A sometimes but if this is correct then it could be a nice bump at TDL! As for when kane is likely to return, Kane is having Multiple x multiple surgeries and just the double hernia is something that can put him out a season. It says he talked to Monahan who had just this same hernia surgery and it kept him out 7months, so do the maths? I'd be surprised if Kane comes back at all this year, nvm before TDL or even end of the reg season. too bad because it would be awesome to get him back 100% for playoffs
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 19, 2024 10:41:37 GMT -7
Not sure how it all works. If Oilers start the season with no LTIR they can accrue space. Kane or anyone else can go on LTIR later on and we would accrue cap space aside from the days/weeks/months the player is on LTIR. If incorrect please let me know. So it makes sense to have Kane on IR only. Have Savoie up with the big club for the 1st game so if he gets called up his bonuses won't count on our cap. We will see if our two PTO's can push the current roster players. With Kane out, Lavoie needs to push out Hoffman, some of the other kids push out Ryan or Perry. On D, Dermott is very versatile so he can push someone out too. Your guesses are as good as mine.
I'll save you the chore of reading an entire spec article but here's how he described the "best case scenario Re: Kane and LTIR "If the Oilers get a bunch of injuries, then Kane will be placed on LTIR simply for salary relief. By the Trade Deadline, if he is not ready to return, then the Oilers could bring on nearly all of his salary in new players — but Kane could not play for the rest of the regular season. Then there is this scenario: Edmonton has no serious injuries, and their current cap space of $945,833 accrues over the season, growing to about $3 million by the deadline. Then they put Kane on LTIR, use his cap space (minus the $945,833), and end up with around $7 million in cap space to use at the Trade Deadline" Again this is Spec's POV not mine and he does talk out of his A sometimes but if this is correct then it could be a nice bump at TDL! As for when kane is likely to return, Kane is having Multiple x multiple surgeries and just the double hernia is something that can put him out a season. It says he talked to Monahan who had just this same hernia surgery and it kept him out 7months, so do the maths? I'd be surprised if Kane comes back at all this year, nvm before TDL or even end of the reg season. too bad because it would be awesome to get him back 100% for playoffs Thanks, hard to trust Spec. All we can do is guess. Kane, the hernias don;t usually take that long, it's the abductors that can take from 3 to as much as 9 months. Oilers sign Jasper Weatherby to a PTO, sounds like a warm body or could he be our 2024 Klim Kostin...
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Post by drtaf on Sept 19, 2024 10:44:29 GMT -7
I'll save you the chore of reading an entire spec article but here's how he described the "best case scenario Re: Kane and LTIR "If the Oilers get a bunch of injuries, then Kane will be placed on LTIR simply for salary relief. By the Trade Deadline, if he is not ready to return, then the Oilers could bring on nearly all of his salary in new players — but Kane could not play for the rest of the regular season. Then there is this scenario: Edmonton has no serious injuries, and their current cap space of $945,833 accrues over the season, growing to about $3 million by the deadline. Then they put Kane on LTIR, use his cap space (minus the $945,833), and end up with around $7 million in cap space to use at the Trade Deadline" Again this is Spec's POV not mine and he does talk out of his A sometimes but if this is correct then it could be a nice bump at TDL! As for when kane is likely to return, Kane is having Multiple x multiple surgeries and just the double hernia is something that can put him out a season. It says he talked to Monahan who had just this same hernia surgery and it kept him out 7months, so do the maths? I'd be surprised if Kane comes back at all this year, nvm before TDL or even end of the reg season. too bad because it would be awesome to get him back 100% for playoffs Thanks, hard to trust Spec. All we can do is guess. Kane, the hernias don;t usually take that long, it's the abductors that can take from 3 to as much as 9 months. Oilers sign Jasper Weatherby to a PTO, sounds like a warm body or could he be our 2024 Klim Kostin... Yeah, normally i take what spec says with half a grain of salt but i think he's probably accurate here? and I was hoping podkholzin would be our next Klim but if JW works out, all the better!!
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 19, 2024 11:25:24 GMT -7
Thanks, hard to trust Spec. All we can do is guess. Kane, the hernias don;t usually take that long, it's the abductors that can take from 3 to as much as 9 months. Oilers sign Jasper Weatherby to a PTO, sounds like a warm body or could he be our 2024 Klim Kostin... Yeah, normally i take what spec says with half a grain of salt but i think he's probably accurate here? and I was hoping podkholzin would be our next Klim but if JW works out, all the better!! Or Lavoie or maybe Jarventie. Just give us 1 out of the 4 to replace Holloway. Pod seems like the most carbon copy. He's done more at the NHL level, if he can get his confidence back then watch out. Too many scenarios to say how management chooses to start the season. Now with the multiple surgeries and the abductors, Kane could miss the whole year. But he will probably be back right around the time he can be traded at end of March/early April.
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Post by igibb on Sept 19, 2024 13:25:02 GMT -7
Not sure how it all works. If Oilers start the season with no LTIR they can accrue space. Kane or anyone else can go on LTIR later on and we would accrue cap space aside from the days/weeks/months the player is on LTIR. If incorrect please let me know. So it makes sense to have Kane on IR only. Have Savoie up with the big club for the 1st game so if he gets called up his bonuses won't count on our cap.
We will see if our two PTO's can push the current roster players. With Kane out, Lavoie needs to push out Hoffman, some of the other kids push out Ryan or Perry. On D, Dermott is very versatile so he can push someone out too. Your guesses are as good as mine.
In order to get the benefit of LTIR, you need to spend to the cap. It would not make sense to put Kane on LTIR at all, if they don't receive the benefit. Not entirely true. You don't get all of the benefit if you are not right up to the cap. You get the difference of what the players cap hit is minus the cap space you still have. With Kane we would have $4,179,167 of cap space if he was put on LTIR at the beginning of the season and the roster was as is but you accrue no cap space through he year. The problem of course with putting him on LTIR and bringing someone in to use the cap space is if he is ready to go at some point before the year is over you need to make room to bring him back and we don't really have the ability to do that. He also doesn't really strike me as the type who if he felt he was ready to return before the end of the year would sit out for the good of the team if the doctors could suggest he is not fully ready and that would be another problem to deal with. At least this year we could try and trade him with his modified NMC kicking in right before the deadline. Problem is who of the 16 teams he selects to be traded to is going to pick up a guy who still has another year at $5.125 M and hasn't played all year?
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Post by toley on Sept 19, 2024 13:36:46 GMT -7
In order to get the benefit of LTIR, you need to spend to the cap. It would not make sense to put Kane on LTIR at all, if they don't receive the benefit. Not entirely true. You don't get all of the benefit if you are not right up to the cap. You get the difference of what the players cap hit is minus the cap space you still have. With Kane we would have $4,179,167 of cap space if he was put on LTIR at the beginning of the season and the roster was as is but you accrue no cap space through he year. The problem of course with putting him on LTIR and bringing someone in to use the cap space is if he is ready to go at some point before the year is over you need to make room to bring him back and we don't really have the ability to do that. He also doesn't really strike me as the type who if he felt he was ready to return before the end of the year would sit out for the good of the team if the doctors could suggest he is not fully ready and that would be another problem to deal with. At least this year we could try and trade him with his modified NMC kicking in right before the deadline. Yes, I should have said full benefit, and there's no point for it unless there is a specific player you're getting. It's totally better not to start in LTIR and accrue cap space. |
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Post by igibb on Sept 19, 2024 14:18:44 GMT -7
Not entirely true. You don't get all of the benefit if you are not right up to the cap. You get the difference of what the players cap hit is minus the cap space you still have. With Kane we would have $4,179,167 of cap space if he was put on LTIR at the beginning of the season and the roster was as is but you accrue no cap space through he year. The problem of course with putting him on LTIR and bringing someone in to use the cap space is if he is ready to go at some point before the year is over you need to make room to bring him back and we don't really have the ability to do that. He also doesn't really strike me as the type who if he felt he was ready to return before the end of the year would sit out for the good of the team if the doctors could suggest he is not fully ready and that would be another problem to deal with. At least this year we could try and trade him with his modified NMC kicking in right before the deadline. Yes, I should have said full benefit, and there's no point for it unless there is a specific player you're getting. It's totally better not to start in LTIR and accrue cap space. Especially when you have no idea when the player on LTIR will be back and you have no way to make room for him if he does return until March.
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Post by toley on Sept 19, 2024 14:29:59 GMT -7
Yes, I should have said full benefit, and there's no point for it unless there is a specific player you're getting. It's totally better not to start in LTIR and accrue cap space. Especially when you have no idea when the player on LTIR will be back and you have no way to make room for him if he does return until March. I'd prefer him to return before the playoffs, much like when he signed as a free agent from his Sharks termination, he was a game wrecker then, I hope Kane gets there again. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 21, 2024 21:39:22 GMT -7
Not one but two Windsor boys in our scouting dept now, sounds smart. Not everyone from Windsor is dumb like myself. Zrim is one of the brains behind capfriendly, not sure about the others. x.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1837578599668634088 |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 21, 2024 22:36:25 GMT -7
 Use PRESEASON24 code for 2 free months of Oilers+. Have not tried this yet but may, it was posted on Reddit, just do a monthly subscription. Or can probably watch the games on opposing teams sites, IDK as there may be blackouts. The Jets game for instance tonight was on TSN but sure enough, blackout.
Confirmed working on 9/22 (today). Charge of $0 on my card. No hassles for preseason. Installs on Apple and Android so have it on my Chromecast 4k. No issues.
I'm sorry I forgot to check to see if this would work for our US or international members. Like Columbus, hillcat and others. Maybe someone can verify for me.
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 22, 2024 9:56:03 GMT -7
Not one but two Windsor boys in our scouting dept now, sounds smart. Not everyone from Windsor is dumb like myself. Zrim is one of the brains behind capfriendly, not sure about the others. x.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1837578599668634088Wow, half a dozen guys added to our scouting and operations staff. Welcome (back Zack!) to the org fellas, now go fetch us some hidden gems please! 
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 22, 2024 10:13:19 GMT -7
Agreed and yup makes sense, can't punt his dad and keep him around lol. Wonder who gets his job now or is Bill Scott gonna run solo as AGM? I'm guessing JJ/SB will be looking to hire someone else. Maybe one of 'Stan's guys'? Yup, they'll hire someone SB wants and JJ "approves of". btw does anyone know the length of SB's contract? or any details? I mustve missed the memo? I'm presuming he got 5yrs to win a cup just like KH did? Good Question. I can't find any details on Stan but I see Kenny was paid well while he was here. frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nhl-general-managers/
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 22, 2024 10:15:40 GMT -7
Use PRESEASON24 code for 2 free months of Oilers+. Have not tried this yet but may, it was posted on Reddit, just do a monthly subscription. Or can probably watch the games on opposing teams sites, IDK as there may be blackouts. The Jets game for instance tonight was on TSN but sure enough, blackout.
Confirmed working on 9/22 (today). Charge of $0 on my card. No hassles for preseason. Installs on Apple and Android so have it on my Chromecast 4k. No issues.
I'm sorry I forgot to check to see if this would work for our US or international members. Like Columbus, hillcat and others. Maybe someone can verify for me. WooHoooo!!! LET'S GOOOOOOOO!!! HOCKEYHOCKEYHOCKEY!!!
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Post by drtaf on Sept 22, 2024 10:21:06 GMT -7
JP scores a hattie in first game of preseason for Pens. they wer all of a different variety too which is impressive, a tip a drive to the net and sharp wrister from the slot. Pens still got pasted but this is one ex-oiler i'm still rooting for to finally succeed even though he could never quite put it together here
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Post by drtaf on Sept 22, 2024 10:24:11 GMT -7
Yup, they'll hire someone SB wants and JJ "approves of". btw does anyone know the length of SB's contract? or any details? I mustve missed the memo? I'm presuming he got 5yrs to win a cup just like KH did? Good Question. I can't find any details on Stan but I see Kenny was paid well while he was here. frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nhl-general-managers/ It's low key "weird" IMO. Kenny's contract was announced on day 1 complete with all the details but this one has been kept tightly under wraps and i can only guess its likely to be another 5x5 or thereabouts? maybe a little higher cashpoint? 
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Post by toley on Sept 22, 2024 12:44:25 GMT -7
Yup, they'll hire someone SB wants and JJ "approves of". btw does anyone know the length of SB's contract? or any details? I mustve missed the memo? I'm presuming he got 5yrs to win a cup just like KH did? Good Question. I can't find any details on Stan but I see Kenny was paid well while he was here. frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nhl-general-managers/ I do believe I heard it was for 4 years. Not sure now. Probably a Jackson implement, of not publicizing it, being already a sore topic. |
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Post by sharptooth on Sept 22, 2024 15:14:35 GMT -7
Verified news. We got scored on in 16 seconds to start the first pre season game lol
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 22, 2024 15:18:12 GMT -7
Verified news. We got scored on in 16 seconds to start the first pre season game lol O'Reilly ties it up!
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