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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 19, 2019 18:08:35 GMT -7
I've got a bad feeling about this... Just checked IMDB, I won't mention any spoilers regarding what is apparently regarded as the plot, but so far, on a site that attracts many true Star Wars fans, where fanboy nerds usually upvote any sort of substandard franchise offering, the new movie is currently only sporting a 6.8 out of 10 rating. Here's some random fan review titles just from the first page: "Star Wars is finally dead." "Absolute colossal failure" "Makes the Game of Thrones ending look like Citizen Kane" "Like being stabbed in the brain" Apparently the visuals, SFX and soundtrack is great as usual, but the rest is, well, I think you get my point. Not trying to irritate or bring you guys down, it's more a head's up, as I was thinking of going to see this movie as well but now, I think I'll follow Mark Hamill's advice and 'wait till it comes to cable'. I remember when The Dark Knight first came out, it had like a 20-30% on rotten tomatoes, then skyrocketed after. And most of the these "fans" saying it's horrible are also the same fans who said The Force Awakens was garbage. Which it wasn't. Sure it was just a copy of A New Hope, but it was far from garbage. I'm going to see it in a couple hours, so I'll let people in this thread know if it's actually garbage or not. I hope you're right, and that you enjoy it...
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 19, 2019 22:20:53 GMT -7
It was far from garbage. I rather enjoyed it. It was complete fan service, and cheesy as F at times, but I'm good.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 19, 2019 23:11:52 GMT -7
I thought it tied together the loose ends that were left through the last two movies. I honestly don't know what else JJ Abrams could have done.
I'm gonna go watch it again next week.
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Post by discostew on Dec 21, 2019 13:07:38 GMT -7
I watched this, this morning it wasn't that bad.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 22, 2019 15:33:09 GMT -7
I caught it yesterday. Personally, I think story is the most important aspect of any narrative, and this movie was severely lacking in this area. I'm guessing that making a movie under the control of corporate Disney overlords is difficult to say the least, and pretty much hamstrings a director's ability to be creative and/or pursue a coherent vision. When the goal of a movie is simply to reap as much in profits as possible rather than create something meaningful and well-constructed, the product is doomed to suffer from the start. Not trying to crap on anyone here or start anything btw, just throwing out my reaction.
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Post by Bronco73 on Dec 22, 2019 15:52:19 GMT -7
Thanks everybody who's seen it for not posting any spoilers. I'm like Mrtea, I usually wait for a while before I go see a movie to avoid crowds and impossibility of getting decent seating.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 22, 2019 20:47:45 GMT -7
I caught it yesterday. Personally, I think story is the most important aspect of any narrative, and this movie was severely lacking in this area. I'm guessing that making a movie under the control of corporate Disney overlords is difficult to say the least, and pretty much hamstrings a director's ability to be creative and/or pursue a coherent vision. When the goal of a movie is simply to reap as much in profits as possible rather than create something meaningful and well-constructed, the product is doomed to suffer from the start. Not trying to crap on anyone here or start anything btw, just throwing out my reaction. You're right, the story was the worst part. But JJ did the best he could, being brought in so late in production. Disney didn't want to push the release date, so JJ had to cut corners with the story. With all those problems, I think JJ did a decent job being as handcuffed as he was. Disney's issue is that they thought Kathleen Kennedy could be for Lucasfilm what Kevin Feige is for Marvel. Boy were they wrong. She should have been oversight to have the story be at very least cohesive. She's clearly incapable of that. That being said, I did say earlier that I did enjoy the movie. That's because I knew the production problems with the whole sequel trilogy. So, I did my best to take that into consideration. It did help with making the final movie more enjoyable for me.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 22, 2019 20:49:11 GMT -7
Thanks everybody who's seen it for not posting any spoilers. I'm like Mrtea, I usually wait for a while before I go see a movie to avoid crowds and impossibility of getting decent seating. VIP or UltraAVX. It's assigned seating. I had my seats set and picked the day tickets went on sale. That's what I do for all movies now. I can show up 10 minutes before showtime on opening night, get my popcorn or whatever, and still have awesome seats.
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Post by mrtea on Dec 23, 2019 7:05:01 GMT -7
WE saw the movie last night and enjoyed it. It was a good thing we got there early even though we had reserved seats by buying our tickets early. The theater was packed, I've never seen it that packed and all for the Star Wars movie. It took us about 20 minutes waiting in line just to show our tickets and collect our popcorn and drinks.
While I admit the story could have been better it was good enough. There will always be people unhappy with some details of any story. Star Wars is known for large space battles and shocking story lines so the ending gave us some of both. There is a small spoiler coming up so stop reading now if you haven't seen the movie. The weak link in the story was Palpatine's fleet controlled by one ship, but when you factor Palpatine as the ultimate micro manager it kinda makes sense. Critics of the movie need to understand that Star Wars is science fiction and an escape from reality. To me it is a mistake to go with preconceived ideas of what the movie should be like, just go and enjoy it for what it is....entertainment.
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Post by Bronco73 on Dec 23, 2019 19:18:03 GMT -7
Thanks everybody who's seen it for not posting any spoilers. I'm like Mrtea, I usually wait for a while before I go see a movie to avoid crowds and impossibility of getting decent seating. VIP or UltraAVX. It's assigned seating. I had my seats set and picked the day tickets went on sale. That's what I do for all movies now. I can show up 10 minutes before showtime on opening night, get my popcorn or whatever, and still have awesome seats. Yea I live in lethbridge. We are lucky we have cushioned seats here. There is no such luxury as picking ones seats.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 23, 2019 20:21:43 GMT -7
VIP or UltraAVX. It's assigned seating. I had my seats set and picked the day tickets went on sale. That's what I do for all movies now. I can show up 10 minutes before showtime on opening night, get my popcorn or whatever, and still have awesome seats. Yea I live in lethbridge. We are lucky we have cushioned seats here. There is no such luxury as picking ones seats. Oh gotcha.
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Post by mrtea on Dec 24, 2019 9:03:03 GMT -7
I really like JJ Abrams response to all the critics....they are all right.
They knew going in that they could never satisfy every fan and they did the best they could to meet all the different challenges. Abrams feels that if you thought the movie was bad you are correct because that is your opinion. If you liked it you are also correct because of your opinion. I remember seeing many movies that I thought could have been better if they had changed the ending in this way or that, but it was still a good movie just not what I would have done. Everyone has had an experience like that seeing movies, every story could be tweaked one way or another. At the end of the day that is the movie like it or not.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 24, 2019 18:48:14 GMT -7
WE saw the movie last night and enjoyed it. It was a good thing we got there early even though we had reserved seats by buying our tickets early. The theater was packed, I've never seen it that packed and all for the Star Wars movie. It took us about 20 minutes waiting in line just to show our tickets and collect our popcorn and drinks. While I admit the story could have been better it was good enough. There will always be people unhappy with some details of any story. Star Wars is known for large space battles and shocking story lines so the ending gave us some of both. There is a small spoiler coming up so stop reading now if you haven't seen the movie. The weak link in the story was Palpatine's fleet controlled by one ship, but when you factor Palpatine as the ultimate micro manager it kinda makes sense. Critics of the movie need to understand that Star Wars is science fiction and an escape from reality. To me it is a mistake to go with preconceived ideas of what the movie should be like, just go and enjoy it for what it is....entertainment. A big problem I have with this and other new big budget stories is the laziness involved when it comes to advancing the plot. Deux ex machina seems to be the go-to in this sort of fare when a tiny bit of creativity could at least smooth out such holes. I won't mention anything regarding this movie's story, but as an example of what I mean, in Star Trek (2009), Spock jettisons Kirk off the ship on the spur of the moment, and it just so happens they're right next to the planet Old Spock is on, and Kirk's escape pod just happens to land near Old Spock, and Old Spock just happens to save Kirk from the monster, and they both just so happen to be near to Scotty, who just so happens to be posted there, and he just so happens to be able to transport them a million light years away...etc...etc.... A simple throwaway line or 2 could have helped to 'explain' this mess, but no, gotta get back to explosions and action because who cares right? Anyway, I'll stop Grinching out here and wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
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Post by mrtea on Dec 25, 2019 6:47:27 GMT -7
WE saw the movie last night and enjoyed it. It was a good thing we got there early even though we had reserved seats by buying our tickets early. The theater was packed, I've never seen it that packed and all for the Star Wars movie. It took us about 20 minutes waiting in line just to show our tickets and collect our popcorn and drinks. While I admit the story could have been better it was good enough. There will always be people unhappy with some details of any story. Star Wars is known for large space battles and shocking story lines so the ending gave us some of both. There is a small spoiler coming up so stop reading now if you haven't seen the movie. The weak link in the story was Palpatine's fleet controlled by one ship, but when you factor Palpatine as the ultimate micro manager it kinda makes sense. Critics of the movie need to understand that Star Wars is science fiction and an escape from reality. To me it is a mistake to go with preconceived ideas of what the movie should be like, just go and enjoy it for what it is....entertainment. A big problem I have with this and other new big budget stories is the laziness involved when it comes to advancing the plot. Deux ex machina seems to be the go-to in this sort of fare when a tiny bit of creativity could at least smooth out such holes. I won't mention anything regarding this movie's story, but as an example of what I mean, in Star Trek (2009), Spock jettisons Kirk off the ship on the spur of the moment, and it just so happens they're right next to the planet Old Spock is on, and Kirk's escape pod just happens to land near Old Spock, and Old Spock just happens to save Kirk from the monster, and they both just so happen to be near to Scotty, who just so happens to be posted there, and he just so happens to be able to transport them a million light years away...etc...etc.... A simple throwaway line or 2 could have helped to 'explain' this mess, but no, gotta get back to explosions and action because who cares right? Anyway, I'll stop Grinching out here and wish everyone a Merry Christmas! I really like JJ Abrams response to all the critics....they are all right. They knew going in that they could never satisfy every fan and they did the best they could to meet all the different challenges. Abrams feels that if you thought the movie was bad you are correct because that is your opinion. If you liked it you are also correct because of your opinion. I remember seeing many movies that I thought could have been better if they had changed the ending in this way or that, but it was still a good movie just not what I would have done. Everyone has had an experience like that seeing movies, every story could be tweaked one way or another. At the end of the day that is the movie like it or not.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 25, 2019 16:09:50 GMT -7
A big problem I have with this and other new big budget stories is the laziness involved when it comes to advancing the plot. Deux ex machina seems to be the go-to in this sort of fare when a tiny bit of creativity could at least smooth out such holes. I won't mention anything regarding this movie's story, but as an example of what I mean, in Star Trek (2009), Spock jettisons Kirk off the ship on the spur of the moment, and it just so happens they're right next to the planet Old Spock is on, and Kirk's escape pod just happens to land near Old Spock, and Old Spock just happens to save Kirk from the monster, and they both just so happen to be near to Scotty, who just so happens to be posted there, and he just so happens to be able to transport them a million light years away...etc...etc.... A simple throwaway line or 2 could have helped to 'explain' this mess, but no, gotta get back to explosions and action because who cares right? Anyway, I'll stop Grinching out here and wish everyone a Merry Christmas! I really like JJ Abrams response to all the critics....they are all right. They knew going in that they could never satisfy every fan and they did the best they could to meet all the different challenges. Abrams feels that if you thought the movie was bad you are correct because that is your opinion. If you liked it you are also correct because of your opinion. I remember seeing many movies that I thought could have been better if they had changed the ending in this way or that, but it was still a good movie just not what I would have done. Everyone has had an experience like that seeing movies, every story could be tweaked one way or another. At the end of the day that is the movie like it or not. If that's their best then they should be in another line of work. Here is an example from the movie, a small one, but a spoiler nonetheless so I'll leave it farther down the page past the warning: SPOILER ALERT!! OK, after the quicksand scene, they find their clue and then just happen upon a functioning spaceship on that hill. Unless I missed something here, it's been there forever, there's cobwebs and stuff inside to indicate this, yet it's still just sitting there, ready to go. They just happen to stumble upon it exactly when they need it, just to get them going and further the plot. In all the years it's been sitting there, abandoned, NOBODY has stolen it or salvaged it... you see my point right? How hard would it have been to have some sort of security field or something in place that only Jedi powers could breach, to at least TRY and have some semblance of plausibility? It's stuff like this that pisses me off. My point is it wouldn't take very much to have things even slightly make some sort of sense, but apparently, it's not worth the tiniest effort, the sheeple will eat it up anyway, so why even bother? So no, it is not merely my opinion that the story is such a mess, the proof's in the pudding. Anyway, Merry Christmas T!
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Post by mrtea on Dec 25, 2019 16:48:56 GMT -7
I really like JJ Abrams response to all the critics....they are all right. They knew going in that they could never satisfy every fan and they did the best they could to meet all the different challenges. Abrams feels that if you thought the movie was bad you are correct because that is your opinion. If you liked it you are also correct because of your opinion. I remember seeing many movies that I thought could have been better if they had changed the ending in this way or that, but it was still a good movie just not what I would have done. Everyone has had an experience like that seeing movies, every story could be tweaked one way or another. At the end of the day that is the movie like it or not. If that's their best then they should be in another line of work. Here is an example from the movie, a small one, but a spoiler nonetheless so I'll leave it farther down the page past the warning: SPOILER ALERT!! OK, after the quicksand scene, they find their clue and then just happen upon a functioning spaceship on that hill. Unless I missed something here, it's been there forever, there's cobwebs and stuff inside to indicate this, yet it's still just sitting there, ready to go. They just happen to stumble upon it exactly when they need it, just to get them going and further the plot. In all the years it's been sitting there, abandoned, NOBODY has stolen it or salvaged it... you see my point right? How hard would it have been to have some sort of security field or something in place that only Jedi powers could breach, to at least TRY and have some semblance of plausibility? It's stuff like this that pisses me off. My point is it wouldn't take very much to have things even slightly make some sort of sense, but apparently, it's not worth the tiniest effort, the sheeple will eat it up anyway, so why even bother? So no, it is not merely my opinion that the story is such a mess, the proof's in the pudding. Anyway, Merry Christmas T! I understand your problems with the story but I challenge you to go to any action, thriller or science fiction movie and not find something wrong with the story or the science or just plausibility of the whole concept. Sometimes it's just simple common sense "do's and don't"'s. If you bring the same level of scrutiny to any of the modern movies you are going to find faults in them and not be completely satisfied. Marvel, DC, Star Trek, MIB, Jumanji, any horror or paranormal movie and any science fiction movie all have huge story line problems yet I manage to enjoy them all, do you? If you answer yes to any of them, then you are being picky with Star Wars. If not then you don't enjoy very many movies lately. I go to a lot of movies and see these plot or story problems or science that just isn't possible and I still manage to enjoy them because I realize they are an escapism form of entertainment. You seem like a pretty decent guy Groovey, but I don't think I would enjoy being in your company viewing a movie because I don't let the plot failures ruin the movie for me and I certainly wouldn't enjoy hearing how terrible every movie was. Merry Christmas to you Groovey! I hope you can find movies that meet your approval.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 25, 2019 17:20:27 GMT -7
If that's their best then they should be in another line of work. Here is an example from the movie, a small one, but a spoiler nonetheless so I'll leave it farther down the page past the warning: SPOILER ALERT!! OK, after the quicksand scene, they find their clue and then just happen upon a functioning spaceship on that hill. Unless I missed something here, it's been there forever, there's cobwebs and stuff inside to indicate this, yet it's still just sitting there, ready to go. They just happen to stumble upon it exactly when they need it, just to get them going and further the plot. In all the years it's been sitting there, abandoned, NOBODY has stolen it or salvaged it... you see my point right? How hard would it have been to have some sort of security field or something in place that only Jedi powers could breach, to at least TRY and have some semblance of plausibility? It's stuff like this that pisses me off. My point is it wouldn't take very much to have things even slightly make some sort of sense, but apparently, it's not worth the tiniest effort, the sheeple will eat it up anyway, so why even bother? So no, it is not merely my opinion that the story is such a mess, the proof's in the pudding. Anyway, Merry Christmas T! I understand your problems with the story but I challenge you to go to any action, thriller or science fiction movie and not find something wrong with the story or the science or just plausibility of the whole concept. Sometimes it's just simple common sense "do's and don't"'s. If you bring the same level of scrutiny to any of the modern movies you are going to find faults in them and not be completely satisfied. Marvel, DC, Star Trek, MIB, Jumanji, any horror or paranormal movie and any science fiction movie all have huge story line problems yet I manage to enjoy them all, do you? If you answer yes to any of them, then you are being picky with Star Wars. If not then you don't enjoy very many movies lately. I go to a lot of movies and see these plot or story problems or science that just isn't possible and I still manage to enjoy them because I realize they are an escapism form of entertainment. You seem like a pretty decent guy Groovey, but I don't think I would enjoy being in your company viewing a movie because I don't let the plot failures ruin the movie for me and I certainly wouldn't enjoy hearing how terrible every movie was. Merry Christmas to you Groovey! I hope you can find movies that meet your approval. I agree that other movies can and do have such problems, but my point here (and I did make mention of Star Trek 2009) is that some of these simple holes could easily be patched over with even a mediocre explanation of some sort, but that they don't even bother with that. Hundreds of millions of dollars in the budget, but they can't afford to write a simple patch? I am more than able to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy a movie, but at some point I just can't, and this movie crossed that line for me. Not when they could have put forth the tiniest bit of effort on the matter, and chose not to. I like Star Wars and I know they could have and should have done a lot better story-wise, that's all. Sorry if I brought you down, man. Just call me GrincheyAsh! lol
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Post by mrtea on Dec 25, 2019 18:09:34 GMT -7
I understand your problems with the story but I challenge you to go to any action, thriller or science fiction movie and not find something wrong with the story or the science or just plausibility of the whole concept. Sometimes it's just simple common sense "do's and don't"'s. If you bring the same level of scrutiny to any of the modern movies you are going to find faults in them and not be completely satisfied. Marvel, DC, Star Trek, MIB, Jumanji, any horror or paranormal movie and any science fiction movie all have huge story line problems yet I manage to enjoy them all, do you? If you answer yes to any of them, then you are being picky with Star Wars. If not then you don't enjoy very many movies lately. I go to a lot of movies and see these plot or story problems or science that just isn't possible and I still manage to enjoy them because I realize they are an escapism form of entertainment. You seem like a pretty decent guy Groovey, but I don't think I would enjoy being in your company viewing a movie because I don't let the plot failures ruin the movie for me and I certainly wouldn't enjoy hearing how terrible every movie was. Merry Christmas to you Groovey! I hope you can find movies that meet your approval. I agree that other movies can and do have such problems, but my point here (and I did make mention of Star Trek 2009) is that some of these simple holes could easily be patched over with even a mediocre explanation of some sort, but that they don't even bother with that. Hundreds of millions of dollars in the budget, but they can't afford to write a simple patch? I am more than able to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy a movie, but at some point I just can't, and this movie crossed that line for me. Not when they could have put forth the tiniest bit of effort on the matter, and chose not to. I like Star Wars and I know they could have and should have done a lot better story-wise, that's all. Sorry if I brought you down, man. Just call me GrincheyAsh! lol You haven't brought me down at all. There is nothing wrong with having your own views about Star Wars or any movie. Like I said before …. it's only entertainment. I just can't be bothered to get upset about any of the details, if one or more details bothered me too much.... they probably all would. I used to be more reactive when I was young, life has a way of mellowing a person. I believe some truths that I thought I would never believe until life showed me some different perspectives. It's all good, may the force be with you!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 26, 2019 16:32:48 GMT -7
I really like JJ Abrams response to all the critics....they are all right. They knew going in that they could never satisfy every fan and they did the best they could to meet all the different challenges. Abrams feels that if you thought the movie was bad you are correct because that is your opinion. If you liked it you are also correct because of your opinion. I remember seeing many movies that I thought could have been better if they had changed the ending in this way or that, but it was still a good movie just not what I would have done. Everyone has had an experience like that seeing movies, every story could be tweaked one way or another. At the end of the day that is the movie like it or not. If that's their best then they should be in another line of work. Here is an example from the movie, a small one, but a spoiler nonetheless so I'll leave it farther down the page past the warning: SPOILER ALERT!! OK, after the quicksand scene, they find their clue and then just happen upon a functioning spaceship on that hill. Unless I missed something here, it's been there forever, there's cobwebs and stuff inside to indicate this, yet it's still just sitting there, ready to go. They just happen to stumble upon it exactly when they need it, just to get them going and further the plot. In all the years it's been sitting there, abandoned, NOBODY has stolen it or salvaged it... you see my point right? How hard would it have been to have some sort of security field or something in place that only Jedi powers could breach, to at least TRY and have some semblance of plausibility? It's stuff like this that pisses me off. My point is it wouldn't take very much to have things even slightly make some sort of sense, but apparently, it's not worth the tiniest effort, the sheeple will eat it up anyway, so why even bother? So no, it is not merely my opinion that the story is such a mess, the proof's in the pudding. Anyway, Merry Christmas T! I don't mind using my own imagination to fill in details. I don't NEED every single detail explained to me in a movie. If every detail was explained, and some things not left to the viewer's imagination, then movies like this would be 4-5 hours long. As for the ship, remember Rey and them met Lando on Pasaana (the planet the ship was on) Lando accompanied Luke to search for the ship originally, then Lando remained on Pasaana. Could it be out of the realm of possibility that Lando protected the ship, or at least watched over it? Sure it's not a perfect explanation, but it is an explanation. Maybe it'll be explained further in the tie in novel. A lot plot holes and missing information are explained in tie in novels or other shows.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 27, 2019 15:17:30 GMT -7
I don't think it's too much to expect some sort of reason given why the ship was never stolen or plundered. Otherwise, it's just poor storytelling, contrived deux ex machina. But hey, that's just me.
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