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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 21, 2021 16:32:45 GMT -7
how did Drai, Connor, Larsson, and every other oiler do in the playoffs? Apparently we should dump Connor and Leon as well? BTW Barrie got 1 point, but was a +1. Larsson got 2 points and was a -4. In fact Tyson Barrie was the only Oiler of the entire roster to have a +- that was actually on the plus side. Every single other player was 0 or negative. In fact he was also fourth highest in TOI in the playoffs ahead of even Connor, and still managed to beat the entire roster in +-. So by that standard he was the best of the best. Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. What has Bouchard or Bear done to make you think they can contribute at half the clip of Barrie? Good teams have both types of players you describe. We already lost one by his choice. If we have a chance to keep the other, doing that would be a prudent idea. And, as always, we're going to get the guys that are willing to play here, so that's a thing also.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 16:44:19 GMT -7
how did Drai, Connor, Larsson, and every other oiler do in the playoffs? Apparently we should dump Connor and Leon as well? BTW Barrie got 1 point, but was a +1. Larsson got 2 points and was a -4. In fact Tyson Barrie was the only Oiler of the entire roster to have a +- that was actually on the plus side. Every single other player was 0 or negative. In fact he was also fourth highest in TOI in the playoffs ahead of even Connor, and still managed to beat the entire roster in +-. So by that standard he was the best of the best. Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 16:48:08 GMT -7
Look you guys. Larsson wanted out. Whether it was the pressure of being always under the microscope and microphone, the fish bowl living in Edmonton, the milder winters in Seattle, whatever it was he WANTED out. He didn't even talk to any other teams, he went straight to Seattle and took their 4M offer without even testing the waters with other GM's.
Larsson wanted out, he wanted Seattle. We cannot fault Holland for that. All we can do now is watch and see who else he finds as a replacement. He's replaced Klefbom with Keith, let's see what he does to fill Larsson's skates.
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 16:48:31 GMT -7
Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage. You didn't answer the question. Do we need to be bigger?
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Post by mrtea on Jul 21, 2021 16:52:45 GMT -7
how did Drai, Connor, Larsson, and every other oiler do in the playoffs? Apparently we should dump Connor and Leon as well? BTW Barrie got 1 point, but was a +1. Larsson got 2 points and was a -4. In fact Tyson Barrie was the only Oiler of the entire roster to have a +- that was actually on the plus side. Every single other player was 0 or negative. In fact he was also fourth highest in TOI in the playoffs ahead of even Connor, and still managed to beat the entire roster in +-. So by that standard he was the best of the best. Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. In the off chance that we do acquire Barrie, why do we then need to trade both of Bouchard and Bear? I can see maybe trading Bear + to acquire a more physical Dman, but I see no reason to trade Bouchard.
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 16:56:04 GMT -7
Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. In the off chance that we do acquire Barrie, why do we then need to trade both of Bouchard and Bear? I can see maybe trading Bear + to acquire a more physical Dman, but I see no reason to trade Bouchard. Yes, that might be ok. Bear is equal in size and Bouchard is to be our offensive star. Redundancy
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 16:56:08 GMT -7
I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage. You didn't answer the question. Do we need to be bigger? Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point.
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Post by igibb on Jul 21, 2021 16:57:33 GMT -7
Come on Bronco, using +/-. As your argument, that stat isn't worth a can of beans. Do you not believe we need to get bigger and tougher? We lost a big strong body checking Dman and people want to sign a small pokechecking Dman long term. He isn't signing cheap or short-term. Our 1-2 right side will be on the small side and #3 will be a rookie. Did anyone watch the playoffs and the size of the Dmen in the finals. Barrie is not what this team needs unless you trade Bouchard and Bear. I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage. It's kind of asinine to sign a long term deal with a guy if you have the same type of player within your organization that everyone has been chomping at the bit to get playing and you don't have a rugged shut down guy. You are complaining about Bouchard not getting playing time well Barrie is the primary culprit for him not getting it. Will Bouchard play as well a Barrie this year? I doubt it very much but I am more confident that he will provide a bigger portion of the offense that we would lose without Barrie than that I am that Barrie will provide the toughness and defense that we lost in Larsson.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 21, 2021 17:01:33 GMT -7
In the off chance that we do acquire Barrie, why do we then need to trade both of Bouchard and Bear? I can see maybe trading Bear + to acquire a more physical Dman, but I see no reason to trade Bouchard. Yes, that might be ok. Bear is equal in size and Bouchard is to be our offensive star. Redundancy How is it redundant? How many NHL points does Bouchard have? Would be ideal if both are productive and we could trade Barrie, KNOWing that Bouchard can produce similarly, instead of hoping that he can. Once again, we have a good productive player who isn't a luncpail grinder, and some fans can't wait to run him out of town. Petry, Ebs, and now Barrie.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 21, 2021 17:02:44 GMT -7
I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage. It's kind of asinine to sign a long term deal with a guy if you have the same type of player within your organization that everyone has been chomping at the bit to get playing and you don't have a rugged shut down guy. You are complaining about Bouchard not getting playing time well Barrie is the primary culprit for him not getting it. Will Bouchard play as well a Barrie this year? I doubt it very much but I am more confident that he will provide a bigger portion of the offense that we would lose without Barrie than that I am that Barrie will provide the toughness and defense that we lost in Larsson. Any suggestions igibb?
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:06:39 GMT -7
You didn't answer the question. Do we need to be bigger? Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point. Yammy, kahun, Barrie, Bear, Nuge, Shore, Turris, Ennis. Some of these guys are not exactly small but play that way.
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:08:09 GMT -7
Yes, that might be ok. Bear is equal in size and Bouchard is to be our offensive star. Redundancy How is it redundant? How many NHL points does Bouchard have? Would be ideal if both are productive and we could trade Barrie, KNOWing that Bouchard can produce similarly, instead of hoping that he can. Once again, we have a good productive player who isn't a luncpail grinder, and some fans can't wait to run him out of town. Petry, Ebs, and now Barrie. Not running out of town. Take a 3-4 million x 3 year contract. No clauses
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Post by mrtea on Jul 21, 2021 17:08:42 GMT -7
In the off chance that we do acquire Barrie, why do we then need to trade both of Bouchard and Bear? I can see maybe trading Bear + to acquire a more physical Dman, but I see no reason to trade Bouchard. Yes, that might be ok. Bear is equal in size and Bouchard is to be our offensive star. Redundancy You make it out like Bouchard is a Barrie clone. The fact that they are both offensive right shot Dmen does not mean that they can't bring different aspects to the game. You are starting to sound like you are pouting over the loss of Larsson and can't see anything positive, get over it.....Larsson is gone and not coming back.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 17:10:32 GMT -7
I agree. It's asinine to think that a plug that outscores every other defenseman in the entire league is somebody to keep. Barrie is not what we need. I mean he was the only plug on that D roster that had the outright gall to shoot from the point. The nerve to quarterback a power play... and the absolute audacity to make quick outlet passes to move the puck up the ice. We don't need that crap on THIS squad, we are better than that garbage. It's kind of asinine to sign a long term deal with a guy if you have the same type of player within your organization that everyone has been chomping at the bit to get playing and you don't have a rugged shut down guy. You are complaining about Bouchard not getting playing time well Barrie is the primary culprit for him not getting it. Will Bouchard play as well a Barrie this year? I doubt it very much but I am more confident that he will provide a bigger portion of the offense that we would lose without Barrie than that I am that Barrie will provide the toughness and defense that we lost in Larsson. Who did we sign long term? I never once, ever on this or any other board complained about Bouchard not getting playing time. If Barrie was the culprit it's because he was playing well. that should be rewarded not shunned. LARSSON CHOSE TO LEAVE, HE WANTED OUT. THAT IS NOT ON KEN HOLLAND. YET HERE WE ARE CRYING IN OUR CORN FLAKES THAT WE LET HIM GO. RIDICULOUS.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 17:11:20 GMT -7
Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point. Yammy, kahun, Barrie, Bear, Nuge, Shore, Turris, Ennis. Some of these guys are not exactly small but play that way. Do the Oilers have a monopoly on medium sized players that play small?
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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 21, 2021 17:17:56 GMT -7
How is it redundant? How many NHL points does Bouchard have? Would be ideal if both are productive and we could trade Barrie, KNOWing that Bouchard can produce similarly, instead of hoping that he can. Once again, we have a good productive player who isn't a luncpail grinder, and some fans can't wait to run him out of town. Petry, Ebs, and now Barrie. Not running out of town. Take a 3-4 million x 3 year contract. No clauses The Oilers don't exist in a vacuum. There's a market out there, and we have to pay more than market price.
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Post by igibb on Jul 21, 2021 17:36:54 GMT -7
It's kind of asinine to sign a long term deal with a guy if you have the same type of player within your organization that everyone has been chomping at the bit to get playing and you don't have a rugged shut down guy. You are complaining about Bouchard not getting playing time well Barrie is the primary culprit for him not getting it. Will Bouchard play as well a Barrie this year? I doubt it very much but I am more confident that he will provide a bigger portion of the offense that we would lose without Barrie than that I am that Barrie will provide the toughness and defense that we lost in Larsson. Any suggestions igibb? Yeah try and sign a guy like Savard or someone similar who can play a shut down role. Barrie was not good defensively last year, Bear was up and down and he is too small to play a physical game plus he hasn't even played two seasons worth of NHL games yet and Bouchard is a raw rookie. Who is playing a shut down role, killing penalties or out protecting leads out of those 3?
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Post by brolo on Jul 21, 2021 17:42:06 GMT -7
Yeah try and sign a guy like Savard or someone similar who can play a shut down role. Barrie was not good defensively last year, Bear was up and down and he is too small to play a physical game plus he hasn't even played two seasons worth of NHL games yet and Bouchard is a raw rookie. Who is playing a shut down role, killing penalties or out protecting leads out of those 3? Oooo pick me, pick me! I know! NO ONE!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jul 21, 2021 17:42:11 GMT -7
You didn't answer the question. Do we need to be bigger? Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point. Bronco, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant by yuke who clearly knows all there is to know about the Oilers and NHL Hockey. . Another fact is that yuke has dug himself into a hole and now can't get out. He is the only guy who seems to think that Tyson Barrier got 48 second assists last season .
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:42:53 GMT -7
Yes, that might be ok. Bear is equal in size and Bouchard is to be our offensive star. Redundancy You make it out like Bouchard is a Barrie clone. The fact that they are both offensive right shot Dmen does not mean that they can't bring different aspects to the game. You are starting to sound like you are pouting over the loss of Larsson and can't see anything positive, get over it.....Larsson is gone and not coming back. Go back in my history, don't care for Barrie. Sounds like you... forget it
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