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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:44:46 GMT -7
It's kind of asinine to sign a long term deal with a guy if you have the same type of player within your organization that everyone has been chomping at the bit to get playing and you don't have a rugged shut down guy. You are complaining about Bouchard not getting playing time well Barrie is the primary culprit for him not getting it. Will Bouchard play as well a Barrie this year? I doubt it very much but I am more confident that he will provide a bigger portion of the offense that we would lose without Barrie than that I am that Barrie will provide the toughness and defense that we lost in Larsson. Who did we sign long term? I never once, ever on this or any other board complained about Bouchard not getting playing time. If Barrie was the culprit it's because he was playing well. that should be rewarded not shunned. LARSSON CHOSE TO LEAVE, HE WANTED OUT. THAT IS NOT ON KEN HOLLAND. YET HERE WE ARE CRYING IN OUR CORN FLAKES THAT WE LET HIM GO. RIDICULOUS. Who is crying about Larsson? I do not want to Barrie
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:47:16 GMT -7
Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point. Bronco, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant by yuke who clearly knows all there is to know about the Oilers and NHL Hockey. . Another fact is that yuke has dug himself into a hole and now can't get out. He is the only guy who seems to think that Tyson Barrier got 48 second assists last season . There you are again, being your usual Fogolin2
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 17:54:06 GMT -7
Well the entire league is trending towards smaller faster and more skilled, but if we want to buck the trend, sure why not. BTW Larsson despite 4 inches in height advantage only outweighs Barrie by 11 pounds. Do we NEED to get bigger? Well, according to the NHL official stats, Edmonton ranks 12'th out of 31 teams in average height, and top half of the league in average weight, with a combined size/weight of 14'th overall. So does that mean we NEED to get bigger? I would say as already in the upper half of the league for size it would be more important for us to get more skilled than more size at this point. Bronco, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant by yuke who clearly knows all there is to know about the Oilers and NHL Hockey. . Another fact is that yuke has dug himself into a hole and now can't get out. He is the only guy who seems to think that Tyson Barrier got 48 second assists last season . Only guy who thinks Barrie benefited from secondary assists you say. Maybe not. oilersnation.com/2021/03/13/are-the-edmonton-oilers-better-off-without-tyson-barrie-for-the-long-term/
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 17:57:28 GMT -7
Who did we sign long term? I never once, ever on this or any other board complained about Bouchard not getting playing time. If Barrie was the culprit it's because he was playing well. that should be rewarded not shunned. LARSSON CHOSE TO LEAVE, HE WANTED OUT. THAT IS NOT ON KEN HOLLAND. YET HERE WE ARE CRYING IN OUR CORN FLAKES THAT WE LET HIM GO. RIDICULOUS. Who is crying about Larsson? I do not want to Barrie sorry I'm debating on FB on the Larsson signing as well and I brought some of that more heated argument here. I didn't intend to accuse you of crying. I think a Barrie re-signing is a very real possibility. It's a buyers market this year for D, so he won't hold as much value as he may have in other years.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 18:05:48 GMT -7
and becomes the Kraken's pick from Edmonton in the expansion draft.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 21, 2021 18:12:13 GMT -7
Yeah try and sign a guy like Savard or someone similar who can play a shut down role. Barrie was not good defensively last year, Bear was up and down and he is too small to play a physical game plus he hasn't even played two seasons worth of NHL games yet and Bouchard is a raw rookie. Who is playing a shut down role, killing penalties or out protecting leads out of those 3? Agreed, we should try to sign a guy like Savard. Are we going to get that guy? It's up to the player. The fact is Bear or Bouchard have proved nothing in the NHL. Barrie has done it, last year with us, and previously with the Avs. With what we know about Edmonton signing guys, KH should be working hard to keep the known quantities and trying to add roles that we need to fill. We lose Klefbom (injury), Larsson(choice), and Barrie(?) and we DON'T get the Savard type guy to choose to join the Oilers (move to Edmonton...for the winters...) Where does that leave us?
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Post by toley on Jul 21, 2021 18:23:20 GMT -7
Who did we sign long term? I never once, ever on this or any other board complained about Bouchard not getting playing time. If Barrie was the culprit it's because he was playing well. that should be rewarded not shunned. LARSSON CHOSE TO LEAVE, HE WANTED OUT. THAT IS NOT ON KEN HOLLAND. YET HERE WE ARE CRYING IN OUR CORN FLAKES THAT WE LET HIM GO. RIDICULOUS. Who is crying about Larsson? I do not want to Barrie Agreed Bear Barrie Bouchard I'd not want to go into the season with that right side.
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Post by toley on Jul 21, 2021 18:33:49 GMT -7
I'm getting a feeling that Seattle will be a lockdown team.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 18:35:11 GMT -7
I'm getting a feeling that Seattle will be a lockdown team. and the league will once again decry "We've learned our lesson, we won't make it so easy for the next expansion team"
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Post by toley on Jul 21, 2021 18:42:44 GMT -7
I'm getting a feeling that Seattle will be a lockdown team. and the league will once again decry "We've learned our lesson, we won't make it so easy for the next expansion team" Sometimes it's just timing, don't know when or even if they'll be another expansion. Example we didn't have to protect McDavid for the Vegas expansion, 4 years later he's eligible. And the pandemic has changed things.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jul 21, 2021 18:45:03 GMT -7
You must be desperate yuke dragging up an article by that idiot Zach Lang from March to try to support your disdain of Barrie? I use the eye test, my eyes, and Tyson Barrie was a valuable player for the Oilers last season, that is all I know, and an article by Zach Lang won't usurp what I see with my own set of eyeballs. End of.
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 20:02:00 GMT -7
You must be desperate yuke dragging up an article by that idiot Zach Lang from March to try to support your disdain of Barrie? I use the eye test, my eyes, and Tyson Barrie was a valuable player for the Oilers last season, that is all I know, and an article by Zach Lang won't usurp what I see with my own set of eyeballs. End of. It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture.
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Post by mrtea on Jul 21, 2021 20:13:14 GMT -7
You must be desperate yuke dragging up an article by that idiot Zach Lang from March to try to support your disdain of Barrie? I use the eye test, my eyes, and Tyson Barrie was a valuable player for the Oilers last season, that is all I know, and an article by Zach Lang won't usurp what I see with my own set of eyeballs. End of. It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture. Many of these assists that you are trying to pass off as insignificant are anything but. You do realize some assists are from him either lugging the puck up the ice starting the play or from him passing the puck out of the D zone again starting the play. Those types of assists are actually very important and should not be mocked or held against someone's ability and value.
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 20:23:31 GMT -7
It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture. Many of these assists that you are trying to pass off as insignificant are anything but. You do realize some assists are from him either lugging the puck up the ice starting the play or from him passing the puck out of the D zone again starting the play. Those types of assists are actually very important and should not be mocked or held against someone's ability and value. Some. And those that are not should not be bragged about.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 20:28:47 GMT -7
You must be desperate yuke dragging up an article by that idiot Zach Lang from March to try to support your disdain of Barrie? I use the eye test, my eyes, and Tyson Barrie was a valuable player for the Oilers last season, that is all I know, and an article by Zach Lang won't usurp what I see with my own set of eyeballs. End of. It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture. well he finished the season with 48 points, and only 27 of them being secondary assists. This means In his final 24 points of the season only 3 of them were secondary assists, that is an absolute truckload of primary assists. So by your logic he should be hailed as one of the best scoring D in the league at the time of the season end, yes?
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 20:31:10 GMT -7
It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture. Many of these assists that you are trying to pass off as insignificant are anything but. You do realize some assists are from him either lugging the puck up the ice starting the play or from him passing the puck out of the D zone again starting the play. Those types of assists are actually very important and should not be mocked or held against someone's ability and value. I know Barrie has value. Just not as high as most think FOR the Oilers. We need talented beef on the back end, thats is where any big dollars should go
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Post by yuke on Jul 21, 2021 20:36:00 GMT -7
It is the stats you need to see. At time of the article 13 of Barries 24 points were secondary assists. Maybe you need to see an optometrist as your "eyeballs" are not seeing the whole picture. well he finished the season with 48 points, and only 27 of them being secondary assists. This means In his final 24 points of the season only 3 of them were secondary assists, that is an absolute truckload of primary assists. So by your logic he should be hailed as one of the best scoring D in the league at the time of the season end, yes? Am I reading this right. 27-13 = 14 in second half So wouldn't 24 - 14 = 10 primary
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 21, 2021 21:06:32 GMT -7
well he finished the season with 48 points, and only 27 of them being secondary assists. This means In his final 24 points of the season only 3 of them were secondary assists, that is an absolute truckload of primary assists. So by your logic he should be hailed as one of the best scoring D in the league at the time of the season end, yes? Am I reading this right. 27-13 = 14 in second half So wouldn't 24 - 14 = 10 primary That it is. I was erroneously confusing 24 pts in your original post with 24 SECONDARY points. Disregard my post. But he was still one of the best in the league dammit lol!!!
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Post by SuperDave17 on Jul 21, 2021 22:27:19 GMT -7
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Jul 22, 2021 7:37:27 GMT -7
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